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Old 8 Sep 2019, 22:53 (Ref:3926758)   #151
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If he has, who is going to replace him?
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 00:46 (Ref:3926765)   #152
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Great two races for F1 with Charles winning. Still, he was only able to win with a bit of luck, strong defence and track position. I think if Lewis led into turn 1 at both races, he would have won them both. Ferrari still at enough of a disadvantage overall that I won't be surprised if they don't win again this year.



What about Vettels replacement - will it be Ricciardo? I don't think they'll take the risk on a second young driver (Norris looks next best after Leclerc), and I don't think Hulkenberg will do much better than Vettel anyway. So if not Ricciardo, maybe they'll just wait and see if Schumacher is ready for 2021/22 or pinch Russell if a couple of years?
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 05:49 (Ref:3926807)   #153
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Agreed. I expect Verstappen to take the pole and win at Singapore.
Quite possibly.

But the last two weekends have only again served to highlight a lack of judgement that no longer can be blamed on inexperience.
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 07:48 (Ref:3926822)   #154
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If he has, who is going to replace him?
Ferrari
Vettel out. Ricciardo in.

Renault
Hulk out. Ocon in.
Danny out. Grosjean in (back) - or left field Gasly.

Haas.
Grosjean out. Hulk in.

If vettel had the desire to still race (which I would doubt), then back to Red Bull (even though he would struggle against Max). Cant see it happening though so I don't know who would drop out of the red bull system - possibly Gasly.
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 07:51 (Ref:3926824)   #155
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This should be in the silly season thread but; HAAS - Grosjean out, Hulk in.

Ferrari - Vettel retires Russell in.
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 08:02 (Ref:3926826)   #156
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Quite possibly.

But the last two weekends have only again served to highlight a lack of judgement that no longer can be blamed on inexperience.

Agreed.


1 Spa: Verstappen's head is sometimes a bit black and white. In his mind Raikkonen should have seen him and should have left him room. The thing is, should doesn't win you races. He had a similar run in with Raikkonen at the very same spot a few years ago. I can understand it, you have a bad start (again), see an opportunity to quickly undo the damage and the room is there. In general, if the gap is there you go for it, but at La Source the first lap in an F1 car that's not the wisest decision.

2 Monza: Probably was a bit of a combination of not being used to the strength of the harmonica effect at the rear of the field and a lack of concentration when driving so slow. Not ideal when the race brief is too get through the first lap without damage.

Everyone makes mistakes, that's why we're human. At this level it does need to stay at an acceptable level and you also need to learn from them. In a championship fight two races like these would've been very costly.

Considering his track record the past 1.5 years I don't think there's anything to worry about and he'll be there again in Singapore.


P.S. I wonder if Mercedes and Red Bull were unwilling or unable to efficiently remove more downforce from the cars. It hurt them quite a bit in the fights with the cars that were efficient with low downforce (Ferrari, Renault, Racing Point).
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 09:56 (Ref:3926847)   #157
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Leclerc bossing Lewis around on the run down to the chicane might not be to some peoples tastes, but it was the moment of the race as for as I'm concerned.
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 10:02 (Ref:3926850)   #158
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As much as i would love to see my man Dan in a scarlet car, would they want him to be #2 driver and would he accept that?
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 10:11 (Ref:3926852)   #159
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As much as i would love to see my man Dan in a scarlet car, would they want him to be #2 driver and would he accept that?

With one not being clearly better than the other, they would let them duke it out and push each other to greater levels. The Tifosi would love Ricciardo in Red though. That's a match made in heaven.


P.S. I liked the thumbs up between Perez and Verstappen on the cool down lap. Verstappen could've easily been frustrated with not being able to pass for so many laps, but instead there was respect for a good fight.
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Great two races for F1 with Charles winning. Still, he was only able to win with a bit of luck, strong defence and track position. I think if Lewis led into turn 1 at both races, he would have won them both. Ferrari still at enough of a disadvantage overall that I won't be surprised if they don't win again this year.

I'm sure I remember Lewis being ahead on lap 1 at Spa - until the Ferrari passed on the straight after Radillon........ and I doubt if Lewis (or Bottas) would have been able to stay ahead of LeClerc at Monza - the sheer speed of the Ferrari with the added benefit of DRS if he'd been behind the Merc would have let him blow by - and we saw that the Mercs weren't able to use the DRS to overcome the Ferraris straight-line speed.


You may well be right about the prospects for further Ferrari wins this year, however.
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Old 9 Sep 2019, 12:35 (Ref:3926891)   #161
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If we're not considdering luck, defence and track position then I'm not sure how past victories will still count!
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I'm sure I remember Lewis being ahead on lap 1 at Spa - until the Ferrari passed on the straight after Radillon........ and I doubt if Lewis (or Bottas) would have been able to stay ahead of LeClerc at Monza - the sheer speed of the Ferrari with the added benefit of DRS if he'd been behind the Merc would have let him blow by - and we saw that the Mercs weren't able to use the DRS to overcome the Ferraris straight-line speed.


You may well be right about the prospects for further Ferrari wins this year, however.

That was between Lewis and Seb. Seb passed him, but Lewis overtook him again.
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Charles making them look like traffic cones at the moment. Good attitude and tidy lid. Real nice option.
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I'm sure I remember Lewis being ahead on lap 1 at Spa - until the Ferrari passed on the straight after Radillon........ and I doubt if Lewis (or Bottas) would have been able to stay ahead of LeClerc at Monza - the sheer speed of the Ferrari with the added benefit of DRS if he'd been behind the Merc would have let him blow by - and we saw that the Mercs weren't able to use the DRS to overcome the Ferraris straight-line speed.
The Honourable Mallett has already addressed the first part. I'm inclined to agree with you on the rest though. The only way to do it would have been for the Merc to scamper through Sector 2 so quickly that it was out of DRS range by the time they came out of Parabolica.
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Ferrari
Vettel out. Ricciardo in.

Renault
Hulk out. Ocon in.
Danny out. Grosjean in (back) - or left field Gasly.

Haas.
Grosjean out. Hulk in.

If vettel had the desire to still race (which I would doubt), then back to Red Bull (even though he would struggle against Max). Cant see it happening though so I don't know who would drop out of the red bull system - possibly Gasly.
I just can't see Grosjean as being anything other than out - period. Surely? (Unless he has a back pocket full of dosh, of course?).
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