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Old 20 Mar 2005, 08:23 (Ref:1256597)   #1
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What do you think Ferrari will do to avoid falling too far behind?

Two races and two mediocre Ferrari performances.

It's still early days, but obviously the danger for them, with Renault looking so good, is that they begin to fall to far behind.

What do you reckon they will or should do to rectify the issue?

Is it all about tyres?
Have they got complacent?
What about the 2005 car?
Should they build another dedicated track of their own to undertake even more testing?
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 08:25 (Ref:1256601)   #2
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Fit a 'Flintstones' style open floor.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 08:27 (Ref:1256605)   #3
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They'll debut the new car in Bahrain, I believe.

May as well.

If it blows up - no points.

If they race the old one and it's too slow - no points.

Nothing to lose.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 08:30 (Ref:1256619)   #4
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I doubt Ferrari have hit panic stations yet, they expected the other teams to outclass their old car and even with some dire race performances (by their standards) they're still only 2 points behind Toyota in second.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 08:34 (Ref:1256625)   #5
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Indeed, Brawn has stated it very clearly that the results in Malaysia would dictate when the F2005 is being introduced. And looking at this weekend, there's little doubt we'd see it in Bahrain.

The reason Ferrari wanted to use the F2004M is hoping that the car could compete on points and podiums, and give Ferrari time to perfect the F2005. But at this stage, there's little point in running the F2004M any longer, as it isn't competing for points, and is now barely as fast as a Sauber. The qualifying is a wake up call, the race is a struggle. There's zero risk in bringing the F2005, even if it fails to score...at least the F2005 is "track tested" in race conditions.

A little bit of mis-calculation on Ferrari's part...they may have placed too much faith in the F2004M, but on hindsight, the signs were already there... in Brazil, the F2004M is barely faster Mclaren/Williams, and with such a huge regulation change, merely tuning the F2004 isn't going to be enough.

The good thing is that, while Renault is running away with the constructors points, Ferrari is still on par with Williams and ahead of Mclaren.

The biggest unknown would be Bridgestones. With the likes of RBR running so well, together with Toyota, even Sauber was running with the Ferraris, the indication is that Michelin has a very good tyres. The pressure is on Bridgestone..just match Michelin in terms of tyres and let Ferrari handle the rest.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 08:36 (Ref:1256632)   #6
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From a point of view of keeping the public entertained - and bear in mind a lot of the viewers are at the "Anyone but Schumacher" stage, a bad season for Ferrari could just what the doctor ordered for F1.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 08:46 (Ref:1256651)   #7
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Don't think the problem is with the car,even with last years car they shouldn't be running around with Saubers and Redbulls.

The problem is with the tyres,pure and simple.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 08:50 (Ref:1256662)   #8
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I think tyres has alot to do with it, but they won't be panicking. Yet.
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Yup, I agree. Tyres has to be the problem, which is a problem that cannot be cured overnight.

I also agree that a bad season for Ferrari would be good for F1 after all the bad feelings that have been vented towards their campaign this year and last.

Im sure their old car is also a factor, but lets not take away what Renault have come up with, they obvoiusly have a great car regardless of what Ferrari do.

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Old 20 Mar 2005, 09:02 (Ref:1256686)   #10
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It would be a shame for Michael if Ferrari have such a bad season that he decides to jack it in.

I'm no Schuey fan as I'm sure you know, but to see such a successful champion go out of F1 on a monumental low would be pretty sad.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 09:08 (Ref:1256698)   #11
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No it wouldn't
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Most champions nowadays hold on for too long and go out on lows.

Mansell...1994 & 1995 with Williams & McLaren
Hill hanging on the three years after Williams with Arrows & Jordan
Hakkinen 2000 (not so bad I guess)
Piquet 1991 with Benetton (alongside some rookie German thrashing him)
Prost (as a driver, went out in style, but buying Ligier and running it into the ground!)
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I wouldn't mind him going out on a low
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Most champions nowadays hold on for too long and go out on lows.

Mansell...1994 & 1995 with Williams & McLaren
Hill hanging on the three years after Williams with Arrows & Jordan
Hakkinen 2000 (not so bad I guess)
Piquet 1991 with Benetton (alongside some rookie German thrashing him)
Prost (as a driver, went out in style, but buying Ligier and running it into the ground!)
Villeneuve 2005 with Sauber
You can't really blame Hakkinen for staying in too long, he got out before it got worse.
JV is a completely different story. every year after his championship was a low, and now he's making things even worse.
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Old 20 Mar 2005, 09:25 (Ref:1256721)   #15
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I think Ferrari have got complacent!

To think your old car will whip other teams new expensively developed cars is a huge assumption - which they have got very wrong.

That's the fault of Todt and Brawn, not MS.

It's also interesting on the Bridgestone issue. There were complaints last year about the dedicated Ferrari support and program. But now with Michelin getting far more miles in testing - they have lost out too.

Pierre Desperate-squirt-ier may not be so desperate after all and must be similing.

What would be disaster for Ferrari would be a 2005 car that takes a few races to bed-in. By then the championship could be gone.

It's potentially quite a major issue.

Would MS bother to keep going if he wasn't guaranteed the best kit and have to scrap in the pack, which he is proven not to be be very tolerant or competent (?) in doing. I think that could be a key reason (having achieved the lot) to finally quit.

That in turn could wallop Ferrari even more.

What a fascinating year ahead!

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