The broad sunlit uplands of next March. Yeah, really. .

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Terence Bower

That should please most of those leavers😂

Sounds a bit like Pot, Kettle, Black.

[Terence Bower]

I voted Remain Tim😉😉

[Terence Bower]

Originally Posted by Gerard C

You laugh Terence? Mind you that this could give a new meaning to migrant crisis because if you need that many we could run out of stock rather quickly! Can we discus the terms of delivery? Tout ça va gonfler le prix des croquettes de Paddy!

Merci Mon Ami, Paddy has already eaten. As for terms, I'll check with Mrs May first, she is very good at negotiating terms🤣🤣

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Terence Bower

I voted Remain Tim😉😉

and you don't even live here. I seem to remember you slagging the UK off for a lot of the same reasons people wanted to leave plus you weren't very complimentary about Britain either before or after you left.

[Mike Bell]

So Airbus announce that they are 'scrapping' the A380. Well that's how the beeb describes it. 'Ceasing production' more accurate. (In 2021)

Brexit related? Absolutely not, just no-one wants to buy them anymore.

However, it does mean that all the concern over exporting 'wings from Wales' or wherever it is they are made in the UK is lessened, as no doubt we will still not have moved on from where we are at present.....

[Peter Mallett]

They still make the other wings. The thing about the A380 was that due to size they were individually flown in the ccargo plane they have.

[Terence Bower]

Originally Posted by Tim Falce

and you don't even live here. I seem to remember you slagging the UK off for a lot of the same reasons people wanted to leave plus you weren't very complimentary about Britain either before or after you left.

Yep, got totally pee'd off with all of the false promise's I had from different people Tim. Needed something to do, so took the offer of coming out of the angry rat race. Should have done it years ago. Regarding the remain, I think the leaving will cause greater problems than there already are. EU won't let go that easy.
Anyway, so pleased with the outcome for us personally. Lots of new friends, they say they will do something, and it happens, simple as that����

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

They still make the other wings. The thing about the A380 was that due to size they were individually flown in the ccargo plane they have.

Ah, I’ve definitely not been concentrating hard enough....

[midgetman]

Yes according to 5 Live this morning the order books are bulging in Wales, meaning no lay offs there due to the dropping of the A380. One presumes that as it hasn't been selling no resources are allocated to it.

I have a friend who will no doubt share the story saying it's due to Brexit. Much like he did the story of no redundancies in Sunderland due to poor sales of the Nissan.

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[Mike Bell]

A more in depth report later this morn suggested that Airbus were hoping that staff affected by the A380 production finishing would be absorbed onto manufacture of other plane bits..... (Technical term ) They have got two years to think about it, after all!

And still no suggestion of brexit being blamed- what’s gone wrong!

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Ah, I’ve definitely not been concentrating hard enough....

The main production there is for the A320 family of planes, which are the best selling commercial aircraft of all time, I believe. And orders for those are still poring in.


The A380's order book was reduced fairly recently when Emirates, the largest by far customer for them, decided not to take up their options on them. They will, instead, be purchasing smaller, more fuel efficient aircraft such as the A350s.

[The Fat Clerk]

And still no suggestion of brexit being blamed- what’s gone wrong! [/QUOTE]

That'll be because the BBC missed the story

[Peter Mallett]

Just saw a tweet from someone called Terry Christain. Apparent he knows a number of companies that will sack any staff who voted leave in the event of a no deal Brexit.

Doesn't realise that not only would that breach employment laws it crashes straight through the Human Rights Act.

What are these people smoking?

[VIVA GT]

Originally Posted by The Fat Clerk

And still no suggestion of brexit being blamed- what’s gone wrong!

That'll be because the BBC missed the story [/QUOTE]

Would that stand for The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation?

[bauble]

Originally Posted by VIVA GT

That'll be because the BBC missed the story

Would that stand for The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation?[/QUOTE]

No! The 'Ban Brexit Conspiracy'

[bauble]

I have seen/heard a number of TV/Radio phone in programmes and in every case where the member of the public had voted to leaver, that was all they wanted, and expected. Not one person mentioned 'deals' or negotiations, just get out of the EU on March 29th.

It may be that Remainers will think that a naïve approach to a complex situation, but 'Leavers' simply prefer the consequences to the on-going corruption of the EU.

Jumping off a sinking ship may not be an option of choice, but it gives some hope of survival, while going down with the ship is certain death.

[morninggents]

Originally Posted by bauble

Would that stand for The Brexit Broadcasting Corporation?

No! The 'Ban Brexit Conspiracy'[/QUOTE]


........or the brexit breaking campaign.

[PeterMorley]

Originally Posted by bauble

I have seen/heard a number of TV/Radio phone in programmes and in every case where the member of the public had voted to leaver, that was all they wanted, and expected. Not one person mentioned 'deals' or negotiations, just get out of the EU on March 29th.

It may be that Remainers will think that a naïve approach to a complex situation, but 'Leavers' simply prefer the consequences to the on-going corruption of the EU.

Jumping off a sinking ship may not be an option of choice, but it gives some hope of survival, while going down with the ship is certain death.

And very few people have mentioned that the agreement the govt has negotiated and is being pushed by T May is only an outline of what will be agreed - that is expected to take another 2 years (it was meant to be the 2 years that the govt has spent getting to this point but the lack of preparation caused the delay).

The way that it has been done in great secrecy means people are just as badly informed as they always have been and is one of the reasons they are surprised by it all, but none of it is news to those who had looked into it.

They might also be disappointed to discover that the lack of investment in healthcare, industry, housing etc. are nothing to do with the EU and leaving won't affect that.
After all other EU countries have industries that the UK admires, functioning healthcare systems and enough housing etc.

As for being on a sinking ship, as has always been the case global power moves and these days you have places like China and India rising while Europe, America etc are being left behind by countries with cheaper employees.
Being part of a larger group has to help compete with such enormous countries (and they are huge e.g. there are more people studying English in China than the entire UK population).

However the genuinely unelected WTO will of course come to the rescue, unlike people such as the Elva loving Mr Verhofstadt who was elected to his position in an election where everyone was required to vote (you are obliged to vote in Belgium, none of this 40% turnout being good stuff).

As for corruption everyone's new friends the Chinese aren't exactly role models, let alone the US being run by one family, BoJO being paid a fortune to invent stories, Moggs offshore fortune, Mr May helping companies avoid tax etc. It's rather harder to find genuine stories of EU corruption.

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by PeterMorley

And very few people have mentioned that the agreement the govt has negotiated and is being pushed by T May is only an outline of what will be agreed - that is expected to take another 2 years (it was meant to be the 2 years that the govt has spent getting to this point but the lack of preparation caused the delay).

I'll ignore the rest of your post because it contains reference too many unsubstantiated rumours, but you are correct in that the agreement is intended to last 2 years with a view to reaching a full and final deal. This is what's known in the commercial world as a bridging agreement or a letter of intent. In both cases, in order to make it a contractual and binding commitment it needs either a close out date, or a means of terminating if one of the parties fails to honour the commitment.

As is well reported, the deal contains neither of the above requirements (the backstop). This means it would fail in an English Court of Law. Since we are in the UK and Parliament is bound by English law, it cannot accept the deal as is. This is as they say, the Elephant in the room. The EU is well aware of this but I fear Olly Robbins has not considered it, probably because he, like most Civil Servants has no idea of the commercial world.

By the way, I work in the inter governmental contracting world and just because it is an agreement between governments does not preclude it from being a contract.

[Mike Bell]

In the world of everyday things that matter to simple souls such as me, appears that only 2 of the major mobile network providers have confirmed that roaming charges will not be re-introduced. The others haven’t decided.

And I’m with one of the two, which is nice....

[Peter Mallett]

I expect them all to remain unchanged since they all want to retain your/my business.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

I expect them all to remain unchanged since they all want to retain your/my business.

I’d agree, but in that case why haven’t most actually told their customers? Seems an easy thing to do......

[Peter Mallett]

Well I suspect there's an element of "political will" being exercised. But anyone like you, who is sensible, knows that European travel isn't going to diminish by much, if at all, and thus a company who fails to maintain the current status quo will lose custom pretty quickly.

It will apply to many services. Witness Spain advising that British Ex pats will still be able to buy property and live under the same rules.

Another facet Project Fear ignores.

But, whilst much of this report is IMO somewhat wisfull, the point about the Irish Border is quite interesting and if true supports what I was saying the other day.

Originally Posted by [url

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/02/14/europe-will-have-offer-may-brexit-concession-risk-diplomatic/][/url]

Days later the shaken Taoiseach felt the imperial fist of the European Parliament’s six-man steering group on Brexit. MEPs Elmar Brok and Philippe Lamberts declared Ireland will be forced to erect a hard border in the North in the event of a no-deal.

[Tim Falce]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

In the world of everyday things that matter to simple souls such as me, appears that only 2 of the major mobile network providers have confirmed that roaming charges will not be re-introduced. The others haven’t decided.

And I’m with one of the two, which is nice....

I bet Virgin isn't one of them

[grantp]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

In the world of everyday things that matter to simple souls such as me, appears that only 2 of the major mobile network providers have confirmed that roaming charges will not be re-introduced. The others haven’t decided.

And I’m with one of the two, which is nice....

I think that's because they increased other charges at the time across the board and would not really wish to reverse such a decision and so, presumably, inadvertently prompt people to invoke exit clauses.


I suspect that the "free roaming" is paid for by those who rarely if ever roam.