2014 Liqui Moly Bathurst 12 Hour: 7-9 February (Merged)

[formerf1champ]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Some chat around the mountain during the 12 Hour suggested otherwise. It was only chat with no hard evidence but it did suggest the growth of the event had ruffled a few feathers inside V8SA and that there was desire of some involvement in the event.

Fingers crossed this doesnt eventuate.

I suspect even a chat wasn't needed. The knowledge the event exists and has gained a little presence amongst motorsport fans, with cars that are quicker than v8s. It wouldn't just ruffle feathers, it'd make a battery hen house look like buddha monastery.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by formerf1champ

I suspect even a chat wasn't needed. The knowledge the event exists and has gained a little presence amongst motorsport fans, with cars that are quicker than v8s. It wouldn't just ruffle feathers, it'd make a battery hen house look like buddha monastery.

Nah, gonna call bullsh on that. V8s are not and have never been about being the fastest - if they were worried about that, the cars would have bigger wings, no rev limit, more rubber etc etc. On top of that, having this event work and get traction helps the V8s - the deal at Bathurst is that the venue fees reduce for each event of more events are run, so the more events run, the less each one of them pays for the venue and at Bathurst, that's a big reduction as the original cost is large. Know that some of them there were disappointed when the 24 hour race failed as it meant the venue hire fee for the 1000K went up.

[peckstar]

Lets not start saying irrational things

8000 people on race day and 9000 viewers, it has as much presence as my local football league.. except my local football league will at least get the scores on TV that night

Will also point out that in two weekend time at Clipsal that race winning car will running around on the same track on the same weekend as V8 Supercars. If V8 Supercars were even remotely worried, why would they allow that to happen

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Lets not start saying irrational things

I dont think anyones being irrational Pecky, but ignore at your own peril.

Originally Posted by peckstar

Will also point out that in two weekend time at Clipsal that race winning car will running around on the same track on the same weekend as V8 Supercars. If V8 Supercars were even remotely worried, why would they allow that to happen

Not sure of the current arrangements but do the SA Government /Events Board still hold the contracts for the event - ie support categories.

In 2003 and 2004 when Procar competed against V8SA wishes - highlighted by the Cochrane and Denyer war over tv broadcasting from the event

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

In 2003 and 2004 when Procar competed against V8SA wishes - highlighted by the Cochrane and Denyer war over tv broadcasting from the event

Problem there was that Procar wanted to bring in their own TV cameras, which 10 allowed with conditions, even though 10 had exclusive rights to the whole event.

Then the Procar TV people were caught in pit lane filming the crowds during a V8 session - big difference of course that during the V8 session, the grandstands were full, during the Procar track time, very much less so. That was what the stoush was about - Procar reneging on it's agreement with 10 and attempting to pass off a V8 crowd as it's own.

Nothing at all to do with whether or not Procar categories should be included in the event.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Nothing at all to do with whether or not Procar categories should be included in the event.

But the fact that Procar remained at the event until its demise despite this souring relationship raises the point of who holds the event contracts - V8 events or SA Government?

I would put alleged around areas of your above post as the Procar side of that story is extremely different to the one you described which forgive me reads a little like the pr line from Cole Hithcock when the story broke - along with the demise of the Procar / Channel 10 partnership that you touched on above.

And as you confirmed - Procar were entitled to film at the event but V8SA did try to prevent this as part of their disagreement

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

But the fact that Procar remained at the event until its demise despite this souring relationship raises the point of who holds the event contracts - V8 events or SA Government?

I would put alleged around areas of your above post as the Procar side of that story is extremely different to the one you described which forgive me reads a little like the pr line from Cole Hithcock when the story broke - along with the demise of the Procar / Channel 10 partnership that you touched on above.

And as you confirmed - Procar were entitled to film at the event but V8SA did try to prevent this as part of their disagreement

Can't answer you on who holds the support event contracts although I've always understood it to be by mutual agreement.

Not going to go with "alleged" as the whole mess happened in the pit lane during a V8 session and approx 7 or 8 metres from me - saw it all personally. Also think this all happened long before Mr.Hitchcock was in the seat but might be mistaken there - fog of time and all that.

I was told by a senior V8 person at the time (and a 10 person later that day) that Procar were permitted to film but under strict conditions - their sessions only, their cars only, that sort of thing. Filming the crowd for a V8 session was something they were most definitely not entitled to do.

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by rich07

The 300c safety car? Hahaha

well more thinking along the lines of the rumour of GRM going to Chrysler for this year which eventually fell through due to time constraints, so a 300C panelled COTF maybe, Safety Car not so much

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

well more thinking along the lines of the rumour of GRM going to Chrysler for this year which eventually fell through due to time constraints, so a 300C panelled COTF maybe, Safety Car not so much

That sprang to mind but no V8s/COTF in this race thankyou!

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Not going to go with "alleged" as the whole mess happened in the pit lane during a V8 session and approx 7 or 8 metres from me - saw it all personally. Also think this all happened long before Mr.Hitchcock was in the seat but might be mistaken there - fog of time and all that.

Have to agree to disagree then because Denyer was extremely confident on their position however would be highly out of character for the V8 administration at the time to pick a fight with a competitor wouldnt it?

The Bathurst 24 Hour announcement at Clipsal in 2002 was another flashpoint between the two organisations which still saw Procar participate in the event until their demise - pointing to SA Government involvement in hold contracts

Cole has been around since the early 2000's Im pretty sure.

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Have to agree to disagree then because Denyer was extremely confident on their position however would be highly out of character for the V8 administration at the time to pick a fight with a competitor wouldnt it?

The Bathurst 24 Hour announcement at Clipsal in 2002 was another flashpoint between the two organisations which still saw Procar participate in the event until their demise - pointing to SA Government involvement in hold contracts

Cole has been around since the early 2000's Im pretty sure.

No problem on the agreeing to disagree - can only report what I saw on the spot. Cole started there in either 2003 or 2004, can't recall which.

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by rich07

That sprang to mind but no V8s/COTF in this race thankyou!

Agreed. Was more thinking that if GMR were running 300C's in V8's, they may then have the relationship to get a road SRT8 or something to fang around with in the 12 Hr

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by rich07

That sprang to mind but no V8s/COTF in this race thankyou!

Why not? after all its class racing. it could just be another class?

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Why not? after all its class racing. it could just be another class?

It would most likely jeopardise the integrity of the event and put participation of overseas competitors at risk.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by bluesport

It would most likely jeopardise the integrity of the event and put participation of overseas competitors at risk.

Why. Its class racing! After all the GT cars are faster. and we like Class racing because of the battles up and down the field. wouldnt be great to have a battle between classes as well

Unless those overseas competotors are scared

Why would we not be interested in another Class, specially if it is one that can provide 8-10 cars ( we could cap it if we wanted, maybe even as a result of qualyfying).

[alfacors]

I can't see any reason why a V8Supercar team would want to try and run a 12 hour endurance race 2 weeks out from Clipsal.....

[Reload]

Would add an extra element if Ford and Holden put some money in and showed up with a few cars.

[porsche91722]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Why. Its class racing! After all the GT cars are faster. and we like Class racing because of the battles up and down the field. wouldnt be great to have a battle between classes as well

Unless those overseas competotors are scared

Why would we not be interested in another Class, specially if it is one that can provide 8-10 cars ( we could cap it if we wanted, maybe even as a result of qualyfying).

Seriously, what planet are you from?
Let's take this suggestion and make it even more ludicrous! Let's see if V8SC would like to have a couple of 458's, some SLS AMG Mercs, maybe a couple of GTE Porsches, Aston Martins and Corvettes in an invitational class with some of their pro drivers on board to whoop their arses, unless of course they are scared.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Why not? after all its class racing. it could just be another class?

It would be more suited to the Sports Sedan support category

[Reload]

Originally Posted by porsche91722

Seriously, what planet are you from?
Let's take this suggestion and make it even more ludicrous! Let's see if V8SC would like to have a couple of 458's, some SLS AMG Mercs, maybe a couple of GTE Porsches, Aston Martins and Corvettes in an invitational class with some of their pro drivers on board to whoop their arses, unless of course they are scared.

Oh no porsche91722 what have you done, pecky shouldn't be fed.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by porsche91722

Seriously, what planet are you from?
Let's take this suggestion and make it even more ludicrous! Let's see if V8SC would like to have a couple of 458's, some SLS AMG Mercs, maybe a couple of GTE Porsches, Aston Martins and Corvettes in an invitational class with some of their pro drivers on board to whoop their arses, unless of course they are scared.

If the OS GT drivers are not scared why would therer participation be at Risk?

Why would V8SC be scared, any manufacturereis more than welcome to enter, as long as they have a 5l v8 4 door car and they submit to the parity rules.

V8 Supercars is not class racing. the Bathurst 12 hour is. Its just another Class, but it will be a competitive one for outright honours.

there is no need for personal insults or comments

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

as long as they have a 5l v8 4 door car and they submit to the parity rules.

You dont actually need even that anymore

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

You dont actually need even that anymore

Not sure what you mean by that.

But that aside isnt not the thread for it.

Maybe the Development series cars can run in the 12 hour

[bluesport]

The way that interest in the B12hr seems to be growing internationally, there won't be any need (or room) for an invitational class.

[peckstar]

Bluesport, as pointed out but someone else. there were 6 or 7 international GT cars. That's along way from international acceptance, (how many were there last year) much of the international support actually came in the invitational classes

yes there were international drivers, and some were in the Australian teams.