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Old 25 Aug 2001, 15:22 (Ref:135746)   #1
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Old CART cars

Hello everybody,

Does someone have any infos about some cars that raced in the early years of CART such as Manta, Bear, Argo, Shkee, Kingfish, Lion, Antares, etc.
I'll apreciate any kind of infos, photos, articles etc.

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Old 27 Aug 2001, 12:02 (Ref:136418)   #2
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Antares raced in indy 500 in 1972, results ?

Schkee raced in the first canam in 1977
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Old 27 Aug 2001, 13:13 (Ref:136461)   #3
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Race result of the Antares in 1972 Indy 500: DNF Burned Valve Driver: Roger McCluskey Car Name. American Marine Engine: Offenhauser t/c.
Start number: 24.

Two more Antares-Offenauser tried to qualify, but did not make it:
No. 10 Wally Dallenbach Gilmore Racing
No. 42 Swede Savage Michner Petroleum

To my knowledge the cars did not show up again in 1972. McCluskey drove his Kuzma, with which he started the season and from Brooklyn race onwards he was in a McLaren.

Dallenbach drove the STP Lola in some races after Indy and Savage
switched back to his usual Eagle.
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Old 27 Aug 2001, 13:35 (Ref:136479)   #4
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Antares raced in indy 500 in 1972, results ?
Clarification to Udo's post: car was number 14, grid position 24. Car 24 was Gordon Johncock's McLaren.

Savage qualified for race, but in an Eagle, numbered 42.

Dallenbach also qualified in STP Lola number 40
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Old 27 Aug 2001, 14:24 (Ref:136518)   #5
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Vitesse, sorry for error on "14" and "24". Right you are.
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Old 27 Aug 2001, 22:58 (Ref:136787)   #6
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Vitesse, sorry for error on "14" and "24". Right you are.
No need for apologies! We all make mistakes ....
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Old 29 Aug 2001, 09:15 (Ref:137543)   #7
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Kingfish copy Mc Laren M 16 ran indy 1972
results : DNF
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Old 7 Sep 2001, 13:36 (Ref:143075)   #8
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I love the Manta, because it was one of the more obscure cars! It was maintained by Canadian Frank Weiss at the 16th Street Speedway in Indianapolis, and ran in a black livery with gold lettering (almost like the John Player Specials :lol: ).

Technical info: It had the turbo-charged Drake "Offenhauser" 4-cylinder engine (with Hilborn injection) in the rear, driving through a Hewland 4-speed gearbox. Front suspension was by double-wishbones, rear by top link, lower parallel links and radius rod. Wheel base: 106 inches, front track: 64 inches, rear: 63 inches. Overall length: 179 inches, width: 78 inches, heighth: 38 inches.

Usually, there was no main sponsor, just small decals by Goodyear, Mocal, DieHard, STP, Valvoline and so on, but sometimes it was entered by "Vans by Bivouac" or "1st National Bank". It ran #50 in late 1978 (DNQ at the Phoenix 150, Oct 28) and 1979, driven by Weiss himself and finished 20th (not running, engine) at the Ontario 200 (Mar 25), 8th (22 laps down) at the Milwaukee 150 (Jun 10), 23rd (not running) at the Pocono 500 (Jun 24) and 7th (10 laps down) at the Milwaukee 200 (Aug 12). It qualified last at Ontario (119 % of pole-time!), 12th at the first Milwaukee race (104 %), 18th at Pocono (108 %) and 9th at Milwaukee again (104.6 %). Milt Harper tried to qualify the car for the 1980 Pocono 500, but blew the engine in practice.

Possibly the same car with a Chevrolet engine was run by Ed Finley in 1976, #79. It did not qualify at the Phoenix 150 (Mar 14), finished 13th (29 laps down) at the Trenton 200 (May 2), 15th (25 laps down) at the Milwaukee 150 (Jun 13), did not qualify at the next Trenton meeting (Aug 15), finished 11th (44 laps down) at the Milwaukee 200 (Aug 22) and failed to qualify again at the Michigan 150 (Sep 18). It appeared again, with a Drake engine at the Phoenix 150 in 1977 (Oct 29), again failing to qualify. Before that, the Milwaukee organisers had refused to let it pass scrutineering. In 1978, it did get past scrutineering at Milwaukee, but was crashed by Finley in practice.
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Old 21 Oct 2001, 09:36 (Ref:163473)   #9
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Do you know where there any pictures of these cars? also where can I find the tech regs for Indycar racing through the years? I used to have them in a book but I lost it!
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Fines - found your brilliant pictures here http://www.atlasf1.com/bb/showthread.php?threadid=30225 what books are they from? Indy year books? fantastic cars - esp that antares!
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Old 28 Oct 2001, 13:56 (Ref:166599)   #11
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Ghinzani,

In a couple of days I think I will have the tech regs for you.

I'm searching for it in my old papers.

thanks for the pictures.

I have another question: there was a car called Karl, that I supose was a McLaren M16 with some sidepots, and other "extras".
Does anybody know more??
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Brickyard - thanks for that - I used to have them in a book, but as seems to be the case with half of the things I have its either lost or in a barn in Cornwall!!

Was the Karl raced by Jerry Karl? I expect Fines knows all about it!!
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I love the Manta, because it was one of the more obscure cars! It was maintained by Canadian Frank Weiss at the 16th Street Speedway in Indianapolis, and ran in a black livery with gold lettering (almost like the John Player Specials :lol: ).

Technical info: It had the turbo-charged Drake "Offenhauser" 4-cylinder engine (with Hilborn injection) in the rear, driving through a Hewland 4-speed gearbox. Front suspension was by double-wishbones, rear by top link, lower parallel links and radius rod. Wheel base: 106 inches, front track: 64 inches, rear: 63 inches. Overall length: 179 inches, width: 78 inches, heighth: 38 inches.

Usually, there was no main sponsor, just small decals by Goodyear, Mocal, DieHard, STP, Valvoline and so on, but sometimes it was entered by "Vans by Bivouac" or "1st National Bank". It ran #50 in late 1978 (DNQ at the Phoenix 150, Oct 28) and 1979, driven by Weiss himself and finished 20th (not running, engine) at the Ontario 200 (Mar 25), 8th (22 laps down) at the Milwaukee 150 (Jun 10), 23rd (not running) at the Pocono 500 (Jun 24) and 7th (10 laps down) at the Milwaukee 200 (Aug 12). It qualified last at Ontario (119 % of pole-time!), 12th at the first Milwaukee race (104 %), 18th at Pocono (108 %) and 9th at Milwaukee again (104.6 %). Milt Harper tried to qualify the car for the 1980 Pocono 500, but blew the engine in practice.

Possibly the same car with a Chevrolet engine was run by Ed Finley in 1976, #79. It did not qualify at the Phoenix 150 (Mar 14), finished 13th (29 laps down) at the Trenton 200 (May 2), 15th (25 laps down) at the Milwaukee 150 (Jun 13), did not qualify at the next Trenton meeting (Aug 15), finished 11th (44 laps down) at the Milwaukee 200 (Aug 22) and failed to qualify again at the Michigan 150 (Sep 18). It appeared again, with a Drake engine at the Phoenix 150 in 1977 (Oct 29), again failing to qualify. Before that, the Milwaukee organisers had refused to let it pass scrutineering. In 1978, it did get past scrutineering at Milwaukee, but was crashed by Finley in practice.
The reason for the crash of this car was due to a wing strut that was improperly fastened as bolt hole was stripped due to the head mechanic (Ken Mahoney ) not re-threading the bolt hole and figuring that lock-tight would hold it, which it did until at speed down the front straightaway at Milwaukee when it came out so the rear of the car had no downforce and wing tilted and lifted the car in which I slid across from turn one entry and slammed into the wall at exit of turn two = concussion and very bruised along whole left side of body from shoulder to feet.
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Old 29 Dec 2017, 09:18 (Ref:3789566)   #14
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copies of Drake offy works drawings drawn by Goosen

i have 3 copies of original Drake Engineering 4 cyl engines drawn by Goosen in 1955

for sale

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sensible offers invited

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