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Old 29 Dec 2013, 06:33 (Ref:3348503)   #151
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What they could do to make it interesting is select 3 races to be double points via random draw at the end of the year.

That way no one knows who wins!
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Old 29 Dec 2013, 07:54 (Ref:3348510)   #152
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All of these (what I consider to be daft) ideas are really aimed at spicing up the show. Clearly, IMHO, those who are racing fans have absolutely no interest in DRS, lifed tyres, KERs (other than the technical aspect), double points for wearing orange underpants in Friday practice 1 etc.

If the FIA took away all the gimmicks I bet Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Montreal, Monaco and possibly Budapest, would still be sold out. These gimmicks are there, not to make the racing more interesting, but to make the event more viewer friendly thereby appeasing Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Singapore etc.

In other words it may be time for the real fans to vote with their feet. Formula 1 motor sport is dead.
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Old 29 Dec 2013, 13:32 (Ref:3348586)   #153
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All of these (what I consider to be daft) ideas are really aimed at spicing up the show. Clearly, IMHO, those who are racing fans have absolutely no interest in DRS, lifed tyres, KERs (other than the technical aspect), double points for wearing orange underpants in Friday practice 1 etc.

If the FIA took away all the gimmicks I bet Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Montreal, Monaco and possibly Budapest, would still be sold out. These gimmicks are there, not to make the racing more interesting, but to make the event more viewer friendly thereby appeasing Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Singapore etc.

In other words it may be time for the real fans to vote with their feet. Formula 1 motor sport is dead.
Maybe if they brought back gravel traps, proper start / clutch procedures (without the trick launch control / start maps), wider cars with wider tyres, less aero. The sport might be worth following avidly again...
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Old 29 Dec 2013, 18:10 (Ref:3348645)   #154
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All of these (what I consider to be daft) ideas are really aimed at spicing up the show. Clearly, IMHO, those who are racing fans have absolutely no interest in DRS, lifed tyres, KERs (other than the technical aspect), double points for wearing orange underpants in Friday practice 1 etc.

If the FIA took away all the gimmicks I bet Silverstone, Monza, Spa, Montreal, Monaco and possibly Budapest, would still be sold out. These gimmicks are there, not to make the racing more interesting, but to make the event more viewer friendly thereby appeasing Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Singapore etc.
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Maybe if they brought back gravel traps, proper start / clutch procedures (without the trick launch control / start maps), wider cars with wider tyres, less aero. The sport might be worth following avidly again...
Correct and correct. But the prospects for such a change do not look good. After a hustler like Bernie, it looks like it'll be another
bunch of sharks to chew on the F1 carcass.
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Old 30 Dec 2013, 12:04 (Ref:3348894)   #155
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Maybe if they brought back gravel traps, proper start / clutch procedures (without the trick launch control / start maps), wider cars with wider tyres, less aero. The sport might be worth following avidly again...
Why stop there? A gear lever, a clutch pedal, no buttons on the steering wheel, a choke control , tyres made to exactly 1971 specifications with wheels to match, no carbon fibre, no radio communication (that's what I would actually suggest), a budget cap (and that), gravel traps (who cares if a driver was pushed into one by another driver, that's just racin'), less aero? How much less? We still want F1 cars to be quicker than, let's say, Indy cars, right?

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Correct and correct. But the prospects for such a change do not look good.
No, they don't look good, at all.
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Old 30 Dec 2013, 15:01 (Ref:3348932)   #156
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The point is that All of this is just degrading the sport. Surely if it weren't for big business it would have died a respectable an honourable death years ago. As sad as that may be, for me it would have been better than the sham we have now.
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For those of you with Autosport subscriptions there is an interesting article about what next years cars might look like based on the regs.

http://plus.autosport.com/premium/fe...ill-look-like/
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Old 6 Jan 2014, 21:40 (Ref:3351043)   #158
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What they could do to make it interesting is select 3 races to be double points via random draw at the end of the year.

That way no one knows who wins!
Bernie wants three races with double points....
So the podium drivers at the final round each get to draw a race from the years hat of races and those 3 races get the double points toward that years championship.
So no one knows until the final race is decided which 3 races will have double points (bonus) awarded toward the years championship. It will count for both the WDC and the constructors championship.
That should keep Luca happily talking for a while......

In reality it simply needs a stronger FIA to focus back on mechanical technology and release the teams (and the sport) from the curse of aerodynamics.

If Pirelli provided three types of tyre, a wet, a slick, and an intermediate, all capable of doing the entire distance the tyre management situation would be solved. Yes, they would be harder, and probably offer less grip.

Then give every team the spec rear wings, front wings and an under-body/floor, and they have to build the car between the axles, not outside the axles or underneath.

Cornering speeds would drop appreciatively, braking distances increase, race strategy and driving skill be more essential, race time would longer, but the distance wouldn't increase. We would see less of the racing on rails and there would probably be a greater variety of effective lines through some corners. Overtaking or place changes may occur more frequently for a variety of reasons other than DRS, which hopefully would be banned.

I would also like to see a return to a foot actuated clutch and gear lever and see the paddles disappear. Old fashioned? Yes, but it brings back a return to driving skills, and a move away from electronic substitution of what were formerly driving skills. It is primarily a drivers championship, NOT an technical exercise in building horizontal space projectiles.

The roots of F1 are still in the drivers championship, not the constructors championship. The current emphasis on the constructors championship is just a way of diverting attention from the real issues on the sport interface with spectators and supporters.

You want to save money? Then form regulations that take away the advantage rich teams have in racking up hours in wind tunnels that create huge discrepancies in cornering speed that give a handful of people an advantage over the have-not's that they can never overcome unless they steal another teams brains trust.
Yes some teams will always be richer and have more to spend but direct it away from minute increments in aero advantage and back into mechanical advantage

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+1 agreed

Trouble is, no-one seems to want to dramatically reduce downforce, that suggestion has been put forward many a time. Just that alone would improve racing and reduce costs probably.
As for going back to more driver input, that's dead in the water.
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+1 agreed

As for going back to more driver input, that's dead in the water.

That would be a nightmare, imagine not being able to fleece massively backed twits because talent actually counted!

How many pay riders are there in MotoGP?
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Old 7 Jan 2014, 10:02 (Ref:3351178)   #161
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+1 agreed

Trouble is, no-one seems to want to dramatically reduce downforce, that suggestion has been put forward many a time. Just that alone would improve racing and reduce costs probably.
As for going back to more driver input, that's dead in the water.
Yep, paddle shift is pretty much standard in the junior formula's no, the next generation of drivers reaching F1 will probably have never actually changed gear in a racing car in their lives.

Actually I was reading recently that manual gearboxes will become more and more uncommon in road cars within the next 10-20 years as auto/tiptronic systems become standard so they can be integrated with technology like collision avoidance, self parking and next generation eco engine management systems, hybrid/EV technology, etc, etc.
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For road vehicles that's fine, and let's face it, there are millions of idiots on public roads that need help in driving.
Race driving though has always been and should continue to be more demanding driving. The way technology is helping race drivers must surely make Jo Public think it's less of a challenge than it once was. I know it's not quite the same, but the absolutely easiest cars to drive in PC simulators are modern F1 cars, even with aids off.

Probably gone off-topic a bit here, sorry.
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Old 14 Jan 2014, 13:36 (Ref:3353860)   #163
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According to this it doesn't look like the double points rule is going to go away any time soon.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112122
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Horner warns about double points.

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Jonathon Noble of Autosport has joined the fans in saying no to double points.


http://plus.autosport.com/premium/fe...double-points/
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