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Old 6 Jan 2018, 16:08 (Ref:3791013)   #2566
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Based on some viewpoints why would we want to see these cars in historics. They’re not liked. No one watches and F1 is dying so no need to keep this for historics.
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Old 7 Jan 2018, 00:01 (Ref:3791102)   #2567
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I personally think they have gone too far anyhow with these engine restrictions. It should be 1-2 engines per weekend. I dont like the fact that they dont have a T car any more either. One thing is for certain, no one is going to be running these things as historics in 10 years time. They wont have the engines and there will be very few who can repair / rebuild them.
I am sure that these clowns would be quite happy to ruin historic racing with a couple of cars run by their parent organization.

https://www.mercedes-benz.com/en/mer...service-parts/

If one of the current Mercedes cars ever makes it into private hands and on to a historic grid, they will rebuild it for $10 million plus inflation.
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Old 7 Jan 2018, 10:50 (Ref:3791169)   #2568
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Limiting the number of engines per season may be good on paper, but as we saw last season it can just lead to too many grid penalties, meaning qualifying becomes pointless
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Old 7 Jan 2018, 12:15 (Ref:3791181)   #2569
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Limiting the number of engines per season may be good on paper, but as we saw last season it can just lead to too many grid penalties, meaning qualifying becomes pointless
Yep, and they will still blow up 100+ engines at the factory over the course of the year chasing performance and reliability. I just think its a false economy.
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Old 7 Jan 2018, 18:18 (Ref:3791230)   #2570
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Yep, and they will still blow up 100+ engines at the factory over the course of the year chasing performance and reliability. I just think its a false economy.
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Old 9 Jan 2018, 00:59 (Ref:3791465)   #2571
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Yep, and they will still blow up 100+ engines at the factory over the course of the year chasing performance and reliability. I just think its a false economy.
If a customer is paying $85 million dollars for the supply of six power units over a season, I think we can quite safely say there are a number of false economies going on.
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F1 is looking at possible changes to the way the grid lines up for a grand prix.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/133859
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F1 is looking at possible changes to the way the grid lines up for a grand prix.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/133859
I have found a secret video of some of the simulator testing F1 have been performing. In this example they are considering Motocross style starts! First corner should be interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt-xdsc-zU



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Gee that was horrible to watch at times
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I have found a secret video of some of the simulator testing F1 have been performing. In this example they are considering Motocross style starts! First corner should be interesting...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVt-xdsc-zU



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Joint release by Sahara Force India and the Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team:

“We have decided to withdraw the complaint we lodged with the European Commission in 2015 on the subject of anti-competitive practices in the sport of Formula 1.

“We have been greatly encouraged by the dialogue that has been introduced following the appointment of Chase Carey as Executive Chairman and CEO of the Formula 1 commercial rights holder and his new management team.

“Their approach has brought a new culture of transparency to the sport and illustrates willingness to debate fundamental issues such as the distribution of the prize fund monies, cost control and engine regulations.

“We are encouraged and reassured by the even-handed and fair negotiating approach taken by the new management of Formula 1 to all the teams and their issues. While the concerns leading to the compliant were fully justified, we believe this new approach provides the necessary degree of assurance that our concerns will be looked at objectively, and we prefer to resolve the issues facing the sport through dialogue rather than a legal dispute.

“We want to support this transformational process in Formula 1 and thus have resolved to withdraw our complaint with immediate effect.”



Interesting. Maybe Chase, Sean and Ross have made some promises. Let's see if they keep their promises.
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Joint release by Sahara Force India and the Alfa Romeo Sauber F1 Team:

“We have decided to withdraw the complaint we lodged with the European Commission in 2015 on the subject of anti-competitive practices in the sport of Formula 1.

“We have been greatly encouraged by the dialogue that has been introduced following the appointment of Chase Carey as Executive Chairman and CEO of the Formula 1 commercial rights holder and his new management team.

“Their approach has brought a new culture of transparency to the sport and illustrates willingness to debate fundamental issues such as the distribution of the prize fund monies, cost control and engine regulations.

“We are encouraged and reassured by the even-handed and fair negotiating approach taken by the new management of Formula 1 to all the teams and their issues. While the concerns leading to the compliant were fully justified, we believe this new approach provides the necessary degree of assurance that our concerns will be looked at objectively, and we prefer to resolve the issues facing the sport through dialogue rather than a legal dispute.

“We want to support this transformational process in Formula 1 and thus have resolved to withdraw our complaint with immediate effect.”



Interesting. Maybe Chase, Sean and Ross have made some promises. Let's see if they keep their promises.
Or is this a sign of Ferrari influence? They don't want the EEC to investigate things, find out that the payments have been unfair and therefore reduce Ferrari's extra income...
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Ferrari's bonus payment is up for negotiation in the next concord agreement. So is Ferrari's right to veto rule changes they don't like.

Fingers crossed they lose both. And if that means Ferrari pack up and run away, so be it. F1 does not need Ferrari to survive.
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Ferrari's bonus payment is up for negotiation in the next concord agreement. So is Ferrari's right to veto rule changes they don't like.

Fingers crossed they lose both. And if that means Ferrari pack up and run away, so be it. F1 does not need Ferrari to survive.
With the way things are going in F1 and potential plans to put TV coverage behind a paywall, I think if Ferrari were to leave it would be a major body blow and one I'm not sure F1 could survive.
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Or is this a sign of Ferrari influence? They don't want the EEC to investigate things, find out that the payments have been unfair and therefore reduce Ferrari's extra income...
i would think, for sure on the Sauber side.

for FI, i wonder if Merc have just made them a better deal to withdraw their complaint.

but that said...even if Sauber and FI have withdrawn their complaint, aren't the EEC still free to investigate if they want to?

ambitious politician wants to make a name for themselves by taking on a monopoly with unfair trade practices in a sector governments are already increasingly trying to legislate away from using fossil fuels.

anyways, i hope their faith in Liberty's negotiating ability to equalize the playing field is well founded....so far Liberty's track record doesnt indicate they can effectively bargain against the interests of the manus. time will tell i guess.
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