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Old 21 Oct 2019, 16:06 (Ref:3936085)   #5311
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Did he ever come back to hand out the prizes at speech day Mike?
He might have done but he was too pickled.
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 16:11 (Ref:3936086)   #5312
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This manoeuvre meant that the ships in the van (front) of the British columns would suffer the combined fire power of the entire French/Spanish fleet as they approached, and unable to bring their own guns to bear. Nelson lead the column that headed for the centre of the French line, leading by example.

Not only was this tactic unconventional, but in order to ensure that every Captain was free to act as he thought fit, and not worry about 'rules' he issued the following edict;

"No captain can do very wrong if he places his ship alongside that of the enemy."

The combined French/Spanish fleet lost 22 ships, while Nelson suffer none.


He also once held his telescope to his blind eye, and announced; "I see no signals."
Very good from our RAF correspondent!
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 16:13 (Ref:3936087)   #5313
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He might have done but he was too pickled.
In Madeira, i think.

Such a national figure that his body was brought back to England when it would have been expected that he would be buried at sea.
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 17:08 (Ref:3936094)   #5314
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Very good from our RAF correspondent!
Nelson was one of my boyhood heroes, along with Sir Francis Drake. Somehow I never took to Biggles.

Sorry Gerry Mo, much of this must be sailing straight past you, but remember Jean Behra is still my screen saver.
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Old 21 Oct 2019, 17:41 (Ref:3936097)   #5315
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In Madeira, i think.

Such a national figure that his body was brought back to England when it would have been expected that he would be buried at sea.
Then he gets stuck up a column in the most congested square in London!

My late father was a matelot, served in some fine ships; HMS Victorious and before that Vanguard. Both were scrapped. Not entirely certain he wasn't to blame.
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Every ship i served in, and every aircraft i worked on are also scrapped!
Although HMS Marlborough was sold to the Chileans so may still exist.
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Attacking at right angles - assuming one can take advantage for wind direction and rely upon both direction and strength - would be quite a smart idea since it offers relatively little frontal area, would limit the number of guns that could be brought to bear unless the opposing ships could move out of line and would mean that the distance to target was always changing (which I assume would cause some problems if the gunners had not trained for that and the guns were in any case probably relatively short range?)

Presumably the majority of the sailors were the result of Press Gang activity although perhaps the results of the Gangs activities were more often suited to Army allocation, unless near the coast.

Only a couple of hundred years ago but life was so different to the experiences of today.
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Attacking at right angles - assuming one can take advantage for wind direction and rely upon both direction and strength - would be quite a smart idea since it offers relatively little frontal area, would limit the number of guns that could be brought to bear unless the opposing ships could move out of line and would mean that the distance to target was always changing (which I assume would cause some problems if the gunners had not trained for that and the guns were in any case probably relatively short range?)

Presumably the majority of the sailors were the result of Press Gang activity although perhaps the results of the Gangs activities were more often suited to Army allocation, unless near the coast.

Only a couple of hundred years ago but life was so different to the experiences of today.
Nelson was well aware of the enemies shortcomings in the gunnery department, very slow to reload, and not accurate at any range, although the Victory suffered a lot of damage as she closed with the opposing fleet, but the British Tar was a highly trained seaman, and 'our' gunnery was far superior, which lead to the total destruction of the French/Spanish fleet.


I will leave the eye witness account to Andy RM.

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Old 21 Oct 2019, 21:05 (Ref:3936130)   #5319
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I've heard it said that some people would have given their right arm to say they'd been to the same school as you Mike!
And nobody pointed out this good one! Unfair but funny…
No worry at all Bob, as previously said I always admired Nelson very much. May be in todays's words we could say a fookin' smart ass! Few respect for the establishment but a courageous winner. Isn't this combined with Trafalgar "square" a little bit funny too? Cheers to Nelson!
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Every ship i served in, and every aircraft i worked on are also scrapped!
Although HMS Marlborough was sold to the Chileans so may still exist.
Hmm. You certainly are the kiss of death to ships Andy.
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Nelson was well aware of the enemies shortcomings in the gunnery department, very slow to reload, and not accurate at any range, although the Victory suffered a lot of damage as she closed with the opposing fleet, but the British Tar was a highly trained seaman, and 'our' gunnery was far superior, which lead to the total destruction of the French/Spanish fleet.


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The French had been blockaded in port for many years and so were not practised in the arts of either sailing or gunnery. Hence were far slower than the British at both changing direction and re-loading guns, giving the British a big advantage despite being outnumbered.

Vive le rosbifs!
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Hmm. You certainly are the kiss of death to ships Andy.
Just been around a long time, but not as long as you, Bob. And nothing lasts forever.
Interestingly (or not), all the ships i have ever known in the RN had a design life of about 20-25 years. The two new RN aircraft carriers are expected to last 50. I will be 106 when they decommission, then. Hmmm, i will believe it when i see it. Lol
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As an aside, my mate and I went to Totnes on the saturday to see his boat in refit - a converted former Cowes-Torquay-Cowes powerboat racer from the 70s, i think. 5.5 litre inboard Mercury (Possibly Chevy based?) V8. Awesome bit of kit!
Back to my mate’s boat. He had sent me this utube video of the 1969 Cowes-Torquay-Cowes powerboat race in which it took part. See 19 mins and 40 secs in:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSiFhXtS2iw&feature=youtu.be

Also featured were Peter Twiss (test pilot and former “owner” of the world air speed record) and Timo Zmakinen (rally driver). I didnt know that either had other high octane pursuits.
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Zimo Zmakinen you mean? The Zakspeed driver owning a Z Datsun? Whoever, bother his name, very nice video.
Re Nelson, in french language the expression "un coup de Trafalgar" will last forever, meaning something coming from behind you can't fight against which puts you down. Vive le Rosbif!
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Interestingly (or not), all the ships i have ever known in the RN had a design life of about 20-25 years. The two new RN aircraft carriers are expected to last 50. I will be 106 when they decommission, then. Hmmm, i will believe it when i see it. Lol

If they prove to be as reliable as the Type 46 frigate/destroyers ( I think that is their designation) of which the RN has 6 that I believe are pretty well all in dock for TLC, then I very much doubt it!
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