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Old 27 Mar 2021, 23:57 (Ref:4043346)   #31
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If we're going down this route then I'd point out that Hamilton wasn't "beaten" by Rosberg in 2016, he was beaten by a car that broke more often than Rosberg's and more often than any Mercedes in any of the years of their hybrid-era dominance.

It's amusing to think how Senna would have reacted to watching a German driver win in a German-made car with an Austrian team boss, having had the mechanics swapped around, while suffering a series of breakdowns competely out of the norm for the car/team.

Whatever the what-ifs, Prost beat Senna to the 1989 title in the same car; Rosberg beat Hamilton to the 2016 title in the same car.

Personally I don't hold this against either of them, especially when we're comparing them to Schumacher, who in his periods of dominance never had a team-mate able or allowed to compete with him. I'd rather not 'penalise' Senna or Hamilton for the fact that they drove in teams who hired title rivals to be their teammates and allowed them to race.
You're joking, right?

Senna had the chance of the title taken off him when the FIA disqualified him from the 89 Japanese GP. It was a direct intervention by the FIA who had full control of the situation. They literally decided who won the championship.

Hamilton fans will forever mention Malaysia 2016 until their dying breath. (while also conveniently forgetting 2014, or Massa in Hungary 2008 for that matter) The truth of the matter is, Rosberg drove within himself for the rest of the season knowing he only needed to finish second in the remaining races. Would he have finished ahead of Hamilton if he needed victories? We'll never know.
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Old 28 Mar 2021, 00:30 (Ref:4043348)   #32
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He’s not joking, you’re both playing the what 1F game with some assumptions. Don’t be so dismissive.

We’ll literally never know whether Senna could have won another championship because of dropped scores if he kept the Suzuka win after being push started my the marshals.

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Old 28 Mar 2021, 10:14 (Ref:4043378)   #33
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He’s not joking, you’re both playing the what 1F game with some assumptions.
Exactly that. I wasn't the one who opened the door to What If Land .

The other thing about what ifs is that they change everything that happened after them. Had Senna kept the 1989 title, the 1990 season would not have been the same because the dynamic between drivers and the team would have been different.

Same with Hamilton and 2016. He became a better driver as a result of losing that title. Had Hamilton won in 2016, Rosberg would not have retired, so 2017 onwards would have been different.

But I just want to repeat what I wrote above:

"Personally I don't hold this [1989/2016] against either of them, especially when we're comparing them to Schumacher, who in his periods of dominance never had a team-mate able or allowed to compete with him. I'd rather not 'penalise' Senna or Hamilton for the fact that they drove in teams who hired title rivals to be their teammates and allowed them to race."
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Old 2 Apr 2021, 09:27 (Ref:4044337)   #34
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He’s not joking, you’re both playing the what 1F game with some assumptions. Don’t be so dismissive.

We’ll literally never know whether Senna could have won another championship because of dropped scores if he kept the Suzuka win after being push started my the marshals.

It wasn't the push start that he was disqualified for though....
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Old 2 Apr 2021, 10:38 (Ref:4044347)   #35
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Old 2 Apr 2021, 13:19 (Ref:4044364)   #36
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It wasn't the push start that he was disqualified for though....
You’re right it was missing part of the track IIRC.

I just thought it would be fun to point out Senna was run pretty close in his championships by Prost in response to a post who dismissed others views by saying they are “fans”.

Those were intense years. Too intense for Prost who, sensibly, decided to go to another team for a more pleasant life. It was 1-1 in those years, which I think reflects the situation, but could have been 2-0 or 0-2.
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Old 2 Apr 2021, 16:08 (Ref:4044385)   #37
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The great thing about that era was that we had the two best drivers in the best car or cars, and what's more they did with different driving styles that were both effective.

And yes it was because Senna rejoined via the escape road he was DQed. Push starts were allowed if the car was in a dangerous position, i.e. on the track. That's how Patrese was able to win in Monaco 82 despite stalling at the hairpin a couple of laps from the end
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Old 8 Apr 2021, 03:18 (Ref:4045041)   #38
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(Honorable mention to Gilles Villeneuve)
Look who knocked Gilles out!
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Old 9 Apr 2021, 03:07 (Ref:4045253)   #40
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Good grief.

The damned offspring did it.
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I know, as much as a respect Jacques, I would say his father was much more naturally talented and would have achieved more had he not been killed. As well as the fact he hardly ever had a car that could win on it's own
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