Red Bull buy out Jaguar

[manwell]

http://www.autosport.com/newsitem.asp?id=27690&s=5


In Autosport they are saying that Red Bull is linked to a buy out of Jaguar if Ford decide to sell the struggling outfit.
Apparently Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz wants to make an all American F1 Team.

Im just curious how if and Austrian guy buys a team with cars designed in Britain with sponsorship from an Austrian drinks company (Red Bull)...... how is that an All American Team?
Even the Ford engines they may be using are from Cosworth in the UK.

[grumpy1]

You forgot to include the Australian driver.Oh hang on the same publication says Toyota want Webber over Ralf.

The Grumpy1
P.S. I would take Mark over Ralf anyday

[gomick]

looks like ralf could be heading to the dtm - or is he to good for that

[Armco Bender]

Red Bull have been buying out most teams at some stage over the last few years,when we see it we'll believe it :confused:

[minirda]

Originally posted by Armco Bender
Red Bull have been buying out most teams at some stage over the last few years,when we see it we'll believe it :confused:

Agree. At least half of the grid. This is what too much Red Bull does to you, I guess...

[climb]

Two positive aspects of the whole thing:
1) A team not depending on Tobacco
2) A team not depending on an car corporation

[climb]

.. Actually it could be a very effective way to sort it out, i mean just imagine what couyld happen if many a multinational group (food, chemical, IT, or other industries) held their own team: wouldn't it be great?

We wouldn't have anymore rich teams like Ferrari/Macs/Fw and poor ones like Minardi/Jordan.
All they would be well funded, able to win some races.

[BertMk2]

A Red Bull takeover should also sort out the aero problems Jag have been having - after all, everyone knows that Red Bull gives you wings.

I'll get me coat......

[jetsetter]

Red Bull buying out Jaguar wouldn't really be that much of a big deal as they couldn't do any worse a job of running the team than what Ford's been doing.

[climb]

Originally posted by BertMk2
A Red Bull takeover should also sort out the aero problems Jag have been having - after all, everyone knows that Red Bull gives you wings.

I'll get me coat......

Very funny indeed

[climb]

Originally posted by jetsetter
Red Bull buying out Jaguar wouldn't really be that much of a big deal as they couldn't do any worse a job of running the team than what Ford's been doing.

Thus it could be a good deal, on the contrary, because it is bound to improve the team's situation, isn't it

[DriverT]

Originally posted by manwell
In Autosport they are saying that Red Bull is linked to a buy out of Jaguar if Ford decide to sell the struggling outfit.

That's it. IF.

[dcp2685]

Originally posted by grumpy1
You forgot to include the Australian driver.Oh hang on the same publication says Toyota want Webber over Ralf.

The Grumpy1
P.S. I would take Mark over Ralf anyday

Who wouldn't?

[EERO]

I find the shocking aspect the fact the Cosworth is potentially part of the deal as well.

The whole story is a sordid disaster. Ford's initial return to the sport with Stewart was a well planned careful partnership with a cohesive team with a strong identity, a focus on racing, a tradtion of running winning teams (PSR) and a figurehead who commanded respect due to his wisdom, experience and intelligence.

Once the transfer to Jaguar took place, it all went terribley pear-shaped. Glitz, baddly spent budgets and a rotating manager's chair have left the team worse off than it was 5 season's ago. I cannot blame Ford for bailing out, but to give up Cossie as well.....

There is a tremendous amount of history there, and a potentially a lucretive consulting business, why Ford would consider selling Cosworth I cannot divine.

I am vaguely optimistic that Mateschitz wants to bring American drivers to the pinnacle of the sport, but for Americans to be competing under the Ford banner would mean so much more than to have them supported by an overepriced Austrian caffienated and carbonated cough-syrup.

[dcp2685]

Originally posted by climb
Two positive aspects of the whole thing:
1) A team not depending on Tobacco
2) A team not depending on an car corporation

Absolutely. What i found interesting about the article i read on F1racing.net was they said Ford didn't want to pull out completely just didn't want to have to put down the "fantasy dollars" that every other team does. If Red Bull were to buy out Jaguar, grab a some nice paying sponsors (like Milwaukee's best....hey they said all American right?), with Ford to build them engines...Ala kind of how BMW came back....it could work pretty good. But on a serious note, there are some great companies w/ tons of money here in america that aren't doing anything w/ it. Someone should go knock on Bill Gates door for a couple mil....he'd probably have it in his wallet.

[N I Tram]

Isn't Red Bull more harmful than any tobacco though?

The whole concept of an All-American Red Bull team is pure marketing, and I doubt anyone would fall for it.

[Knowlesy]

Hey I said this in the earlier red Bull thread. Autosport nicked that off me!

Actually, their editor is a ten-tenths member!

[Adam43]

Originally posted by knowlesy
Hey I said this in the earlier red Bull thread. Autosport nicked that off me!

Actually, their editor is a ten-tenths member!

It could explain a lot of their stories

[Super Tourer]

I'm firmly of the opinion that sponsors shold be sponsors, team owners should be team owners and manufacturers should be arm's length partners. That's the way it should be.

Ferrari aside, the most consistent teams of the last 20 years are William's and McLaren, who despite whatever sponsors or engine partners they have used, have remained as team owners. Even when McLaren did become part owned by Mercedes, it was not a majority stake.

Once these edges become blurred, trouble and instability follow IMO. Quite why Red Bull would want the aggro of owning a team who knows, I'm sure Ford will happily take their money for title sponsorship, if the Ford bean counters aren't interested in funding the team themselves, which looks a much better basis for a 'relationship' to me.

Quite why Ford would want to include Cosworth is a mystery, as surely it's one of the few elements of a motorsport business that makes money.

With customer engines likely to come to the fore even more in the 'new F1', surely Cosworth are well placed to service that market, aside from their other motorsport commitments.

[Knowlesy]

Originally posted by AdamAshmore
It could explain a lot of their stories

Knocking me down there...cheers Adam.

You'd should be in the press too!

[Adam43]

Originally posted by Super Tourer
Once these edges become blurred, trouble and instability follow IMO.

I think this is the problem with Jaguar Racing. In an odd way I get the impression that Jaguar itself are actually more like the sponsors as opposed to the team! The engine people are neither at arms length or the completely the same company.

Right from the start it was more, I bet the the leaping Jaguar will look good on an engine cover. Perhaps they kidded themselves it'd be more. Well it might as well be a red bull on the side if this is the attitude.

Well that is just the impression I get. So I'll add IMHO.

[Bononi]

Originally posted by Super Tourer
I'm firmly of the opinion that sponsors shold be sponsors, team owners should be team owners and manufacturers should be arm's length partners. That's the way it should be.

In a perfect world, ST, in a perfect world...


(I want mine blonde, green eyes, 5'3,99lbs, 31-27-35)

[climb]

Originally posted by N I Tram
Isn't Red Bull more harmful than any tobacco though?

The whole concept of an All-American Red Bull team is pure marketing, and I doubt anyone would fall for it.

Both assumptions are hard to dispute

[tblincoe]

Originally posted by N I Tram
Isn't Red Bull more harmful than any tobacco though?

The whole concept of an All-American Red Bull team is pure marketing, and I doubt anyone would fall for it.

red bull worse than tobacco? can't remember the last time i heard of someone dying from red bull...

[Adam43]

I have heard of someone dying of red bull! Although i wasn't the sole reason. Despite this it is all a little off topic. One for parc ferme? (present garcon!)