Poor Webber

Wrex · 9 Mar 2003, 05:26 (Ref:529629)

What a great (albeit short) drive today.

I'm shocked the Jag had that sort of pace. Is it better than previous years efforts?

x_dt · 9 Mar 2003, 05:28 (Ref:529631)

Quote:

Originally posted by Wrex
What a great (albeit short) drive today.

I'm shocked the Jag had that sort of pace. Is it better than previous years efforts?

Certainly better than last year's

Lee Janotta · 9 Mar 2003, 05:29 (Ref:529634)

A brick pulled by a geriatric camel would be faster than the Jag was this time last year! Splendid performance by Webber while the car held up! It's not all hype!

avsfan733 · 9 Mar 2003, 05:29 (Ref:529636)

"R" they in for a better year or was that "R" fix of Jaguar success for the season?

DNQ · 9 Mar 2003, 05:33 (Ref:529642)

We don't know what fuel strategy Webber employed, but in any event, wasnt it great to see a Jaguar pressed under the Ferrari's rear wing!

golem · 9 Mar 2003, 05:35 (Ref:529644)

Webber did his job well. I'd say he would've gotten points if he'd have had the car to keep at it... Top job.

Lee Janotta · 9 Mar 2003, 05:35 (Ref:529645)

Better year, I think. The midpack is going to be extremely tight this year. Jag, Sauber, Renault, BAR, Toyota and even Minardi look like they could nibble at the heels of the big three!

Is Jordan completely

ed? How the hell does Fisi finish behind Verstappen?!

DNQ · 9 Mar 2003, 05:47 (Ref:529656)

Obviously a car problem Lee, the PS03 is a LOT slower than the EJ13, and I can't see Jos Verstappen, an average driver at best, lapping Fisi FIVE times...

Mark Webber · 9 Mar 2003, 06:05 (Ref:529670)

Webber did a GREAT job he was taking to MS then car failure .
That's racing I feel Jag can take only good things from this . 15 races to go as I've said before Mark is in for another good year .
Bar struggled in race from, Renault showed some true pace
Sauber played a smart race plan , Toyota also struggled in race form.
the fight for 4th is going to be very good .
Mac looks the goods for 2nd
IMHO lots of different winners this year but MS is so strong IMHO he was the driver of the day with that busted up car

f1manoz · 9 Mar 2003, 06:08 (Ref:529678)

Webber did very well while he was in the race today. He was staying with TGF while he was in 5th place but unfortunately the Jaguar proved to be unreliable. A points finish was a definite possiblity.

Scott75 · 9 Mar 2003, 06:17 (Ref:529693)

It was a fantastic effort by Webber. Given all the mishaps during the race and different strategys who knows where he would've finished. I believe he was on a 2 stop strategy going on what he's said after the race, so I don't think he would've been too far off a podium finish. The Jag really does seem to have the pace as remember on Friday Webber was in the top 5. Unfortunately for a couple of errors during qualifying we didn't see the true potential.

racer69 · 9 Mar 2003, 07:23 (Ref:529739)

He was doing a good job. He was running heavy as well, going by what he said Saturday arvo

Suddy · 9 Mar 2003, 07:29 (Ref:529743)

It wont take long to see his true potential.cant wait for his next effort.Points should flow this year!!!!!!!!!!!

Valve Bounce · 9 Mar 2003, 07:32 (Ref:529745)

Could have been on the podium; well might have

True Believer · 9 Mar 2003, 07:32 (Ref:529746)

Its a good race car but a cr ap qualifying car... Mark could do with some assistance from a teammate on the same speed page but its only early I guess

The worry is yet another Jag car failure

The Minardi PS03 is worse than the PS02... and its not likely to get better as development $ = $0

MiniMe · 9 Mar 2003, 07:55 (Ref:529762)

well that's what a few hundred million gets you - a second or two per lap. Webber made even the Minardi look good, but I'm afraid his cat will end up almost every race in the kitty litter. There will be more 'poor Webber' threads before this year is over, I'm sure.

I was a bit worried when Raikkonen and Schumeister passed him, but that was due cold tyres. (Glad to see Raikkonen has Hakkinen's sense of humor in the post-nominals!)

Funny thing, when Webber's cat dropped its rear end, he pulled over to go off the track and it looked like a marshall waved him back on?? He then parked half on/half off the track in a dangerous spot bringing out the safety car. I thought the Jag had enough in it to find a better place to park.

f1manoz · 9 Mar 2003, 08:38 (Ref:529775)

Quote:

Originally posted by Wrex
I'm shocked the Jag had that sort of pace. Is it better than previous years efforts?

I don't know if it's better or if it's just Jaguar have realised that they should do away with these tricky cars they seemingly love to build and gone with a simple design this year, something that will be reliable and will bring home points more often than not.

While on the track, Webber and Jaguar showed a good turn of pace, and Webber said after the race that the only reason he qualified poorly was due to some iffy strategy.

The speed is there in the Jaguar, they just need to make sure the car is: a) quick b) reliable c) consistent handling. The Jaguar has never been all 3. Perhaps this year they can get it right.

Mark Webber · 9 Mar 2003, 08:46 (Ref:529779)

I think Mark had a good game plan and was sticking to it
which showed by the pace of the car . It was just a shame that part failure robbed him of a possible high placing
by at that stage Mark & Trulli where the only ones taking it to the top three and I think we will see more of that this year from those two

Alan Jones · 9 Mar 2003, 09:08 (Ref:529788)

What a great ambassador for our country, Mark did a good job all week and when you consider the amount of press he had to deal with and the pressure of his home GP, he performed brilliantly IMO.

Mark Webber · 9 Mar 2003, 09:13 (Ref:529792)

agreed AJ

Lee Janotta · 9 Mar 2003, 14:39 (Ref:530067)

Quote:

Originally posted by DNQ
Obviously a car problem Lee, the PS03 is a LOT slower than the EJ13, and I can't see Jos Verstappen, an average driver at best, lapping Fisi FIVE times...

Ah, I didn't know... I don't think Steve Matchett and David Hobbs are even aware Fisi is alive.

enemy-ace · 9 Mar 2003, 14:54 (Ref:530086)

Quote:

Originally posted by f1manoz
While on the track, Webber and Jaguar showed a good turn of pace, and Webber said after the race that the only reason he qualified poorly was due to some iffy strategy.

I didn't catch that, but I know after qualifying he blamed himself for being too aggressive and botching the lap himself. The R4's philosophy was to be a good solid foundation, something to build on. So I am thinking this Cat is going to roar even louder as the season progresses. At least I hope!!! Webber is a good solid driver and will do an excellent job for them I'm sure. I hope Pizzonia can step it up and match his pace.

Tom Fuller · 9 Mar 2003, 15:02 (Ref:530096)

I've always thought of Webber as a quick driver, he always pushes his cars to the limit, like the Minardi last year. Pizzonia was considerably slower than him but the Jaguar is faster compared to other cars than it was last year. Webber could have scored a few points if he had finished.

903cc · 9 Mar 2003, 19:42 (Ref:530473)

He was unlucky true. But did you notice when he was overtaken after the restart he was not weaving behind the Safety car at all. Just driving straight. This would indicate he did not keep the temp up in the tyres.

mac · 9 Mar 2003, 23:20 (Ref:530752)

Whether he inteded it or not, letting Kimi and Michael past could have been the best thing for him. If he'd stayed in front he could have ended up sacrificing time to keep them behind, only to get swamped at the pitstops. They get past and he falls behind initially, but then catches up to Schu's gearbox and pulls away from DC.

I think he was running quite heavy as well. Mark always spends a weekend setting the car up for the race, and doesn't like sacrificing race pace. Hence he was running pretty heavy in qualifying, and would have been able to go a fair way into the race.

I think the weekend was promising, but I also think it's a little early to tell. Still takes nothing away from Webber - great (albeit short) drive.

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