Future Changes

[mabs_nsx]

V8 Supercars should have the following:
more international races
Bathust 24 hour race
More car manufactures

[mabs_nsx]

New international races:
Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium
Monte Carlo, Monaco
Indy, USA
Brands Hatch, UK

Holden
Comadore

Ford
Falcon
+
New cars:
Honda
NSX
S2000
Integra

Toyota
Celica
Supra

Nissan
Skyline
350 Z

Mazda
RX8
RX7

Holden
Monaro

Chevy
Corvette

Mitsubishi
Lancer

What are some of your ideas to improve the series?

[pete55]

You've been drinking something.

[cow]

A litte too much I think.

[racer69]

More manufacturers, definatly.

Less International races

And they already have the 1000, why give them another major race........

[emjaya]

Originally Posted by mabs_nsx

V8 Supercars should have the following:
more international races
Bathust 24 hour race
More car manufactures

More international races-Bahrain,China,Dubai,Malaysia and New Zealand.Everywhere Holden and Fords are exported to....or from

Bathust 24 hour race-could be,Cochrane spoke of big changes coming.

More car manufactures-Team Buick,Team Chevolet,Team Lincoln,Team Mercury,Team Mazda,Team Volvo,Team Saab,Team Hummer,Team Landrover.The possiblities are limited only by the number of brands GM and Ford own.

[racer69]

Originally Posted by emjaya

Bathust 24 hour race-could be,Cochrane spoke of big changes coming.

Considering they already run the 1000 there, AVESCO aren't going to schedule a second major endurance race there, and especially not to a track in the country

[Pommy Steve]

Hey Mabs......I looked at your list of suggested cars and it left me puzzled............Do you think there might be a reason why it's called 'V8" supercars?

[emjaya]

Who's talking about a second race.There's nothing magical about the number 1000!!!

[bahodie]

I like the idea of more regular races in a defined season. Gasp, maybe even every week! Works for other sports.

Making the cars more production based would keep the costs down (especially if a car gets written off during a race), and watching more realistic cars would be quite interesting. We'd get more racing, and casual fans would get the hang of it rather than this ad hoc "every third or fourth weekend maybe" system we've got now.

[mabs_nsx]

Originally Posted by Pommy Steve

Hey Mabs......I looked at your list of suggested cars and it left me puzzled............Do you think there might be a reason why it's called 'V8" supercars?

They could change the name.

[mabs_nsx]

They should make the V8 Supercars like the Super GT except as an Australian series and with Holden Monaro and comodore, Ford Falcon, Nissan Skyline, Honda Integra and S2000, Mazda RX8 and Porsche Carrera GT.

Cars (10 Car manufacturers, and a total of 36 cars on track)
1. Nissan
350 Z
Skyline GTR

2. Toyota
Supra
Celica

3. Honda
NSX
S2000
Integra

4. Mclaren
F-1 GTR

5. Ferrari
550 GTS

6. Mazda
RX7
RX8

7. Porsche
GT3
Carrera GT

8. Chevy
Corvette C6

9.Holden
Monaro
Comadore

10. Ford
Falcon
Falcon

Teams (2 car teams)
17 teams

Australian Races:
Adelaide Street Circuit, SA
Barbagallo Raceway Wanneroo, WA
Eastern Creek International Raceway, NSW
Hidden Valley Raceway, NT
Phillip Island Grand Prix Circuit, Vic
Mount Panorama, Bathurst, NSW
Symmons Plains Raceway, TAS
Albert Park Grand Prix Circuit, VIC
Surfers Paradise, QLD
Sandown International Raceway, VIC
Oran Park Raceway, NSW
Queensland Raceway, QLD
+
some of the following:
Sepang, Malasia
Suzuka, Japan
Spa, Belgium
Indy, USA
Monte Carlo, Monaco
Monza, Italy
Nurburgring, Germany
Bahrain, Bahrain
Pukekohe Park Raceway, New Zealend
Shanghai International Circuit
Brands Hatch, UK

[mabs_nsx]

Originally Posted by racer69

More manufacturers, definatly.

Less International races

And they already have the 1000, why give them another major race........

It isn't a another major race. This would mean they would replace the Bathurst 1000 with the Bathurst 24 hour race. Much better

[Silver GT]

I'd like Bathurst to go back to more classes racing at the same time......and maybe a 24 hour jobbie

but keep em in Oz cant see a Chinaman buying a falcon.....

[hml2777]

I have a great idea, why don't we have an Australian Championship, that includes all manufacturers, but the proviso is that they must be production cars.

We could have seperate categories for:

V8 powered cars

6 cylinder powered cars

4 cylinder powered cars

Rotary powered cars

Performance cars

Production cars

If you like the idea, go back 20 years when REAL Production Car racing took place, and blow off this silhouette category (aka V8 Supercars) that is piching ALL the money from real motorsport in Australia.

[WebberForWDC]

Originally Posted by bahodie

Making the cars more production based would keep the costs down (especially if a car gets written off during a race).

But production based can be as or more expensive, not to mention slower in my opinion!

In my opinion whether you go for a production-derived race car it's expensive (see Super 2000 or N-GT for example) or whether you go for a production-based it's expensive (see Grp N where somehow "production" WRXs and Evos cost $200k each).

I think to have tough race bits, and mandate more standardized race bits if needed to control costs, is better in my opinion.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by mabs_nsx

It isn't a another major race. This would mean they would replace the Bathurst 1000 with the Bathurst 24 hour race. Much better

You raise an interesting point there Mabs, I do hope that theory never occurs ever. The 24 Hour race should have nothing to do with Avesco or V8 Supercars. It was and hoefully is going again to be a GT, Performance, Production based event.


Leads me to my next point :

Is the Bathurst 1000 event in the year 2005, the same special race that has been an iconic part of Australian motorsport through out the ages

Personally, when I looked at the 1000 last year I kind of didn't get that buzz, that this is a special day kind of feeling.

Maybe because its become a part of the championship.

Maybe because the race used to be for everyone, now days with the 35 soon to be reduced to 32 grid, its a closed shop mentality in which the race was built on.

Maybe due the race being broken up by the safety car.

Maybe I was just a sucker for a channel 7 telecast.

With Avesco taking over the promotion and running of the event, I only think this event is going to lose even more of its passion, spiritual connection to the yesterdays.

Im not sure. But what are your guys opinions on the race as it currently sits ??

[Rombles1]

Originally Posted by mabs_nsx

They should make the V8 Supercars like the Super GT except as an Australian series and with Holden Monaro and comodore, Ford Falcon, Nissan Skyline, Honda Integra and S2000, Mazda RX8 and Porsche Carrera GT.

Cars (10 Car manufacturers, and a total of 36 cars on track)
1. Nissan
350 Z
Skyline GTR

2. Toyota
Supra
Celica

3. Honda
NSX
S2000
Integra

..........

etc etc etc etc etc

..........

Bahrain, Bahrain
Pukekohe Park Raceway, New Zealend
Shanghai International Circuit
Brands Hatch, UK

Hows this for an idea, Mabs. Suggest it to AVESCO. Please let me know how loudly they laugh.

Hypothetically, though, if they did decide to adopt your modifications, I can just hear somewhere in a backroom, a conversation going " Screw this, I wanna race V8's" and "yeah, me too" and "hey, I want to watch you race V8's". And these people then get together somewhere, and race V8's. Maybe just Holdens and Fords again, or maybe they might let others in, so long as they bring along a V8. And it grows into a full, professional series. I wonder which series will survive?

Another option would be to run this series as a competitor to the AVESCO-run series. Once again, I wonder who would survive?

Having said that, though, I have no problem with people throwing what may seem like silly suggestions up there for discussion.... how many fantastic ideas sounded like lunacy when first conceived? (According to my wife, most of mine!)

I love the idea of a 24hr V8 Supercar race, BTW, especially at Bathurst. (Or Adelaide! )

[racer69]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Leads me to my next point :

Is the Bathurst 1000 event in the year 2005, the same special race that has been an iconic part of Australian motorsport through out the ages

Personally, when I looked at the 1000 last year I kind of didn't get that buzz, that this is a special day kind of feeling.

Maybe because its become a part of the championship.

Maybe because the race used to be for everyone, now days with the 35 soon to be reduced to 32 grid, its a closed shop mentality in which the race was built on.

Maybe due the race being broken up by the safety car.

Maybe I was just a sucker for a channel 7 telecast.

With Avesco taking over the promotion and running of the event, I only think this event is going to lose even more of its passion, spiritual connection to the yesterdays.

Im not sure. But what are your guys opinions on the race as it currently sits ??

The 1000km sprint around Mt Panorama the second week of October last year and this is still the same race with the same spectacle it has always had since it started......in 1997.

The objectives and aims of the 1000km race promoted by IMG (and from this year AVESCO) since 1997, firstly in November then back to October, is completely different to those of the 1000km race run and/or supported by the BCC/ARDC/Channel 7 every year between 1963 - 1998 (ok, technically 1973 for 1000km) on the one Long Weekend every year.

I was pleased the spirit of the ARDC Bathurst 1000 was rekindled with the Bathurst 24 Hour, the spirit of competing, the many different cars and classes, drivers both professional and amateur welcome etc.....lets not poisen what was started (and stopped way to early) with the AVESCO way again.....

[Belly13]

Bathurst needs to have more cars in the field. They can start by letting some of the second-tier teams race again in the 1000, that, for me, is what makes Bathurst special. The guys that do it tough finishing the race. I think the racing is better than ever at the Mount and the crowds are getting bigger annually.
As for the Championship, I would like to see more rounds. 13 is not enough nowadays, we need to have more, but at the same time not overdo it. Between 15-20 would be good in the future. I think the race formats are good.
In terms of exporting to the world, I consider NZ to deserve at 2 rounds annually. Kiwi's have involvement with a number of teams and a number of drivers in the series are from NZ, or have a background. Beyond the Tasman, let's see how China goes before we think about any other destinations...