Karts on a Hillclimb??? - Page 4

djb · 6 Jan 2009, 03:51 (Ref:2366054)

gotta admire the initiative though....

Steve Wilkinson · 7 Jan 2009, 12:53 (Ref:2366997)

Phil Jefferies in the "Rattari" at Harewood in 1987.

devon kev · 9 Jan 2009, 15:51 (Ref:2368303)

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Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Phil Jefferies in the "Rattari" at Harewood in 1987.

So thats where he went when he left Guernsey

A. Mudge · 17 Jan 2009, 21:14 (Ref:2373502)

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Originally Posted by Stuart Hill

There seems to be some interest in possibly Hillclimbing Karts, mmmm could we? and I was wondering what is needed for a venue to obtain a Kart License?

As a marshal, I would love to watch Karts take on the hills and so look forward to possibly making it happen.

anyone know the regs???

I used ot Marshal in Guernsey and Watching karts on Le Val Des Terres was awesome, and also in Bouley Bay in Jersey with the likes of Nigel Davis. I think Karting on the Hills in England would bring another spectacle to the hills so therefore appeal to a bigger range of specators.

I echo what Stuart says as I would love to see Karts on the hill. Anyone that can drive a 250cc Kart on a hill that quickly has gotta be mental!! lol Bring em on....

**ghinzani** · 17 Jan 2009, 22:56 (Ref:2373559)

When I enquired about running my kart at Gurston the organisers said no hey could not under MSA regs because the barriers were not the correct height for karts. On reflection this is probably a good thing, can you imagine the bad publigity they would get if a kart went under the barriers? However the fact that they run/ran on Guernsey & Jersey also reflects that in smaller communities the line between safety and competition is a little more lax. At the end of the day I err on the side of 'its the competitors decision' for safety issues like these.

welshgal_2006 · 17 Jan 2009, 23:27 (Ref:2373575)

I think that karts are highly entertaining on the channel island hills... however we have to remember that these are public highways that are being used so barriers are barely in site, you either hit a tyre wall, a wall, a bank or go flying off into the channel. (ok so slight exaggeration). What I am trying to say is that a hill like The terres in guernsey has a wide margin of error compared to the hills over here on the mainland. I would be scared myself watching a kart go around bottom ess at Shelsley and I doubt that a Kart would make it up Doune.
Yes safety is what officials are there to promote and if it was not safe to have the karts on the hills in the CI then I doubt they would be there. After all for national rounds they are still goverened by the MSA.
As for it being the drivers choice, yes it is their choice to get behind the wheel but also it is then the officials jobs to make sure they are as safe as possible when venturing up the hills.

djb · 18 Jan 2009, 06:49 (Ref:2373699)

and as for high barriers, the injuries going under one at speed would be really and truly grisely, so I can understand that completely. (but then that pretty well eliminates bike road racing like in Ireland and such, the TT, but then I think they are bonkers with that stuff anyway)

Steve Wilkinson · 18 Jan 2009, 10:26 (Ref:2373767)

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Originally Posted by welshgal_2006

I would be scared myself watching a kart go around bottom ess at Shelsley and I doubt that a Kart would make it up Doune.

Pretty certain that Phil Jefferies and Dick Foden took the 250cc Trackstar (aka the Rattari) to Doune in the 1980s and easily made it up the hill!

jo white · 18 Jan 2009, 12:10 (Ref:2373828)

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Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Pretty certain that Phil Jefferies and Dick Foden took the 250cc Trackstar (aka the Rattari) to Doune in the 1980s and easily made it up the hill!

They sure did Steve, i think Phil may also have had an excursion

welshgal_2006 · 18 Jan 2009, 13:33 (Ref:2373864)

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Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Pretty certain that Phil Jefferies and Dick Foden took the 250cc Trackstar (aka the Rattari) to Doune in the 1980s and easily made it up the hill!

Sorry not something that I cam remember with on being in my 25th year (yipppeee bday in a few weeks, sorry off topic) and only going into my 4th year of even knowing what hillclimbing is.

Steve Wilkinson · 18 Jan 2009, 14:59 (Ref:2373905)

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Originally Posted by welshgal_2006

Sorry not something that I cam remember with on being in my 25th year (yipppeee bday in a few weeks, sorry off topic) and only going into my 4th year of even knowing what hillclimbing is.

I suppose we could forgive you.

**Woolley** · 18 Jan 2009, 21:21 (Ref:2374060)

I also remember Phil failing to negotiate Bottom Ess. Truly scary moment. Well for us - he wasn't bothered and was out again the next day!

Steve Wilkinson · 19 Jan 2009, 10:15 (Ref:2374315)

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Originally Posted by Woolley

I also remember Phil failing to negotiate Bottom Ess. Truly scary moment. Well for us - he wasn't bothered and was out again the next day!

My one abiding memory of the Trackstar was with Dick Foden aboard at Wiscombe. I was up at Sawbench when the thing appeared going backwards as it came out of the last left hander of The Esses. It hit the edge of the track and shot up into the air - still going backwards - and disappeared into the trees. A couple of minutes later Dick came trudging out of the undergrowth dragging the remains of the Trackstar behind him!

**Woolley** · 19 Jan 2009, 13:23 (Ref:2374466)

Half of me is impressed, and the other half wished he'd left it there. You had to admire the courage and initiative that went into it - especially with the extra set of trailing wheels - and congratulate them on peddling it so quickly, and yet I never stopped disliking it as an abomination!

I remember standing in the spectator area above the Shelsley start line and hearing someone who hadn't seen it before comment "You too can take your flymo up Shelsley..."

Steve Wilkinson · 19 Jan 2009, 14:38 (Ref:2374538)

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Originally Posted by Woolley

Half of me is impressed, and the other half wished he'd left it there.

It was back in 1987 and the above is a photo of what it was like after its trip into the undergrowth!

Hitech · 20 Jan 2009, 09:06 (Ref:2375077)

It was repaired and competed later the same day as I recall. Happy days!

Steve Wilkinson · 20 Jan 2009, 09:30 (Ref:2375093)

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Originally Posted by Hitech

It was repaired and competed later the same day as I recall. Happy days!

Minus a few bits of bodywork if memory serves.

The above taken in 1988 at the same spot!

twisted · 23 Apr 2009, 10:29 (Ref:2447695)

I think we have a few nutters with Busa powered karts here in Australia!!!
I did hillclimb a 250 Superkart so I qualified to call them nutters!

djb · 24 Apr 2009, 20:22 (Ref:2448841)

i have very clear memories of the very first Canadian GP I went to in I think 79 or 80. Amongst the support races was a 250 superkart one and I clearly remember them going throuogh the right-left corner just after the track goes under a bridge (down the track a bit from where Panis bust his legs up if that helps) and the memory of seeing them four wheel drifting at the exit going out to the wall stays with me---going bloody fast too.

Impressed the hell out of me and my friend, enough to stick in the old noggin all these years later as they were really really not hanging about!!

one wouuld think that any bike powered cart would be just so rear heavy and grossly overpowered. The ones I have seen on youtube seem to fit your "nutter" term....

twisted · 25 Apr 2009, 00:16 (Ref:2448968)

Yes a std 250 twin superkart is the greatest feeling you will get with your clothes on. They handle awsome....add a roll bar that stiffens the chassis
and you create a "pig"of a thing, I know I did it!

steve88 · 13 May 2009, 07:11 (Ref:2461436)

Hi all

Just thought I would clarify the situation with regards karts on hills here in Jersey.

Bouley Bay is a closed public road which is used for hill climbs 4 times a year, it is inspected on a regular basis my the MSA and the club has invested a lot of money in safety over the last few years. Whilst we dont have fixed barriers, we do make the course as safe as it possibly can be for a sport that is by nature dangerous.

We allow karts to run with the approval of the MSA and allow 3 classes, 125 max, 125 gearbox and 250 gearbox. If anyone is interested the regulations are on the club website www.jerseymotorsport.com

We allow youngsters from 16 to enter but I believe that Guernsey allow younger members (not sure of their regulations) and I have to say that all the competitors both male and female are pretty spectacular to watch.

davyboy · 13 May 2009, 07:44 (Ref:2461458)

It was a visit to a kart event in Bouley Bay, while on holiday, that got Eddie Jordan started in karting back in the late 1960s. The event certainly has a rich history of karting, that's for sure.

**ghinzani** · 13 May 2009, 07:52 (Ref:2461460)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

It was a visit to a kart event in Bouley Bay, while on holiday, that got Eddie Jordan started in karting back in the late 1960s. The event certainly has a rich history of karting, that's for sure.

Yes and I believe the verdant grass and luscious foliage encouraged by the sub-tropical climate started his life long interest in having thick and luxuriant hair.

davyboy · 13 May 2009, 08:36 (Ref:2461479)

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Originally Posted by ghinzani

Yes and I believe the verdant grass and luscious foliage encouraged by the sub-tropical climate started his life long interest in having thick and luxuriant hair.

God I wish I had hair like his... and I'm nearly 20 years younger than him ! My sister tells me that my thinning is punishment for my Pat Sharpe mullet and other crimes against hair that I committed in the 1980s

**ghinzani** · 13 May 2009, 08:43 (Ref:2461483)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

God I wish I had hair like his... and I'm nearly 20 years younger than him ! My sister tells me that my thinning is punishment for my Pat Sharpe mullet and other crimes against hair that I committed in the 1980s

Save your pennies Davyboy and I am sure you could afford a syrup like that if needs be. And dont beat yourself up, Mullets werent a crime, just a phase!

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