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Old 3 Sep 2016, 09:18 (Ref:3669356)   #31
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I think that the reason the price was higher was to probably try and recoup some of the WRX hosting fees.

They dont do much else at Lydden these days to a lot of peoples annoyance, so they need to make as much as they can from their holiday dates where people are rolling in who perhaps don't go regularly.
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Old 3 Sep 2016, 09:50 (Ref:3669358)   #32
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Just a quick one, they were also charging 10 for a grandstand seat, which given the layout of Lydden you can see everything anyway from prity much were ever you stand so that did seam a tad nuts.

Also if you bought ticket online in advance it was 15 + 1.50 transaction fee, compare that to Croft were you can get a weekend ticket that covers the final round of the Championship on Saturday + the GP on Sunday for 18 + 1.50 transaction fee. which too me seams to be a cracking bargain!
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Old 3 Sep 2016, 10:44 (Ref:3669366)   #33
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Back in the day Croft was always an insanely cheap track to go to, I used to travel there regularly to watch rallycross on the old track. There, Cadwell, Lydden for ERC and Brands for early season and GP (when the title fitted the event!).

I did go to the new one once, when they got Supernationals and a few ERC guys over, but since then it has kind of lost its appeal, and needs to drop the GP tag. Superprix is fine, but reminds me of Stott the man who hastened the two series structure that has so ruined things!!

But agreed, for a two day meeting that is very good value and makes Lydden look a little greedy, nothing new there.

But as I say they are recouping their WRX hosting fees and capitalising on a family bank holiday crowd, lots of other tracks do the same with F1 and MotoGP hosting fees, just a shame that WRX seems to think they are big enough now to do the same, yet offer very little in on track action in comparison to even some national series.
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Old 5 Sep 2016, 08:27 (Ref:3670234)   #34
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Having just been to watch Monster jam At the Principality in Cardiff (my guilty pleasure) I don't think anybody can complain about the cost of a Full days racing at Lydden on Bank Holiday Monday

Monster Jam Bill (2.5 hour show)

Tickets 39 each two of us
Car parking 20

If I wanted paddock access for an hour that was an extra 10 each

Total 98 ( I avoided all food and drink and Merch outlets there was no way you was getting a picnic in)

Lydden cost 5 hour show (taking into account lunch and gaps)

15 each
Car parking FREE
and can bring your own food and drink FREE
Paddock access FREE
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Old 5 Sep 2016, 11:26 (Ref:3670256)   #35
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I guess it depends on what you call value.

Was it a good show? It is purely designed as one, not a race event or a championship.

Monster Jam is a once in a lifetime event in the UK, it doesn't happen frequently.

Would you not expect to pay to park at a venue in a big city?

You would at football or rugby, why not a racing event? It isn't surrounded by grassland like Lydden is.

Isn't Monster Jam a far, far, far bigger event than a round of British rallycross? Far more family friendly in terms of times, accessibility.

I agree you should not be paying to access the pits, that is always pushed as being a big thing with Monster Jam, didn't know you had to pay, that's robbery.

But comparing this to a national championships is a bit like comparing an NFL league game at Wembley with a sort of European NFL game between I don't know Berlin and Amsterdam at a small footy ground. Monster trucks is like car WWF, not really a sport.

Not really like for like, but some interesting points raised.

And to be honest, I think the reason people are mentioning the price at Lydden is that is has jumped up in price a lot in recent years, with no real jump in quality or facilities. I don't think people are saying it's bad value necessarily. Its a lot dearer than a clubby at Snetterton or Cadwell, which is what really it should be compared to.

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I guess it depends on what you call value.

Was it a good show? It is purely designed as one, not a race event or a championship.

it had elements of a good show, but non of the razamataz I was expecting. no support racing, and only a 5 minute fmx motocross demo.


Monster Jam is a once in a lifetime event in the UK, it doesn't happen frequently.


Would you not expect to pay to park at a venue in a big city?

totally, it wasn't a criticism. We take it for granted that parking at motorracing events is FREE, but time will come when circuits will look at generating revenue that way.


You would at football or rugby, why not a racing event? It isn't surrounded by grassland like Lydden is.


Isn't Monster Jam a far, far, far bigger event than a round of British rallycross? Far more family friendly in terms of times, accessibility.

I would say rallycross was more family friendly, at this monster jam they at least explained what was happening, previous ones have been poorly planned and no body had no idea what was going on.


I agree you should not be paying to access the pits, that is always pushed as being a big thing with Monster Jam, didn't know you had to pay, that's robbery.

But comparing this to a national championships is a bit like comparing an NFL league game at Wembley with a sort of European NFL game between I don't know Berlin and Amsterdam at a small footy ground. Monster trucks is like car WWF, not really a sport.

Not really like for like, but some interesting points raised.

And to be honest, I think the reason people are mentioning the price at Lydden is that is has jumped up in price a lot in recent years, with no real jump in quality or facilities. I don't think people are saying it's bad value necessarily. Its a lot dearer than a clubby at Snetterton or Cadwell, which is what really it should be compared to.
and yes there are things that can be improved, we are all aware of that
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Old 13 Sep 2016, 11:30 (Ref:3672062)   #37
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Been a busy couple of weeks, so only just got round to uploading some pictures!











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If any of you are interested!
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Old 17 Sep 2016, 09:45 (Ref:3672988)   #38
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Great shots, there Steve.

Well done for getting a shot of Todd Crooks - sadly his day didn't last long due to a suspension issue and without replacement shockers available, that was his day, sadly.

Had to get my head around being at Lydden in the sun, for a change!

There was some superb racing and very entertaining it was too.

Missed the Mehlberg/ Rumsey incident. Dare say it would be similar to the one that caused Paul Maybourne's to resemble a banana! Such a shame for all involved. Perhaps Mehlberg and his friends should be guided towards banger racing racing where their 'style' of racing would be aceptable!

Thanks again Steve for the pics and to GeordieCraig for your video. I appreciate your contributions - a great way of remembering a great day's racing.

Cheers, Steve
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Old 19 Sep 2016, 09:07 (Ref:3674038)   #39
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Well done for getting a shot of Todd Crooks - sadly his day didn't last long due to a suspension issue and without replacement shockers available, that was his day, sadly.
Sadly there seemed to be quite a few casualties from the practice session; Crooks and Easterbrook both disappeared early and Simon Horton lunched his rear diff!

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Had to get my head around being at Lydden in the sun, for a change!
Yeah, been a couple of years since we had a sunny August round at Lydden!

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Thanks again Steve for the pics and to GeordieCraig for your video. I appreciate your contributions - a great way of remembering a great day's racing.
No worries: it's a pity the whole work thing stops me from getting my pictures sorted sooner.

(And, yet again, I failed to make it up to the Retro tent!)
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Sadly there seemed to be quite a few casualties from the practice session; Crooks and Easterbrook both disappeared early and Simon Horton lunched his rear diff!


Yeah, been a couple of years since we had a sunny August round at Lydden!


No worries: it's a pity the whole work thing stops me from getting my pictures sorted sooner.

(And, yet again, I failed to make it up to the Retro tent!)
Steve, you're not wrong about early casualties. There was also Mike Boak whose Audi TT I saw in the paddock but not on track. There was also Mark Flaherty who had a double whammy in that his Focus supercar died early in the day but was unable to use his MG Metro 6R4 on track as it was on static display and not entered for competition. Not many drivers had two cars present they couldn't use!!

Had wondered what happened to Simon Horton. Sadly Mad Mark didn't show the turn of speed he had earlier in the season but was delighted to see Steve Hill more competitive than I've ever seen. Hope this means the Evo X is becoming more developed? Expensive way to be an also-ran otherwise!

Thanks again for your input. Hope to catch you at another meeting. The Retros aren't heading to Pembrey so next meeting with the display will be the Croft weekend in October. Cheers, Steve
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Hi Hampton, cheers for the comment and cheers for the pics Steve, spot on as always and i know what you about work getting in the way of doing and sorting and editing!

For the first time i managed to get up to the Retro tent and have a good look at your handy work Hampton and got to say its bloody impressive. I used to love doing the Tamiya plastic kits when i was little but never had the patience to do them properly. Would love to get back into them again but last time i went into local model shop i nearly had a heart attack of the price of them.

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Old 26 Sep 2016, 12:20 (Ref:3675248)   #42
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Hi Craig,

Very many thanks for posting the photo of my display at Lydden. Very good of you (I'm OK at making models but shocking at taking photographs to post on the Forum! and thank you for your kind words. Apologies for not thanking you sooner - I thought I had but perhaps some posts have been removed?!

You are not wrong about the prices of kits - but then they apear to be better produced, more accurately to scale and more detailed than the Tamiyas of old. Then again, I build very few kits from scratch - most of my creations start out as complete road or rally cars. There have been several times I've started with a perfectly lovely 50 model and taken it apart! That's a bit stomach-churning, I can tell you!!

Thanks again and hope to see you at another meeting. Cheers, Steve
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Apologies for not thanking you sooner - I thought I had but perhaps some posts have been removed?!
Steve - you're not imagining things - you had posted a thanks but Tenths had to be restored from a backup so some posts were lost.

As an aside - how do you produce the decals for your models? That's the bit that puts me off trying anything similar (or more specifically trying to make a model of our rally car - the first one was easy as it was plain white!)
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Old 26 Sep 2016, 14:23 (Ref:3675271)   #44
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Hi Bert,

Thanks for putting my mind at rest!!

Yes, the decals can make or break a model - I use a desk top publisher (Serif Pageplus X8) to design and size up the decals. Sometimes that very easy. reducing a logo from Google, other times its building the logo and colours up from scratch, trying to find the right font for lettering etc. Some of the models are 'painted' entirely with decals which I've created to be the correct colour and that can be very labour intensive.

Once I'm happy with the design and size of the logos and wording, I print the decals on decal paper, seal the printer ink to the paper (as the ink is water soluable) then its a matter of cutting them out and water sliding them on to the model.

If you'd like to know more, send me a PM with your queries and I'll do my best to help.

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