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View Poll Results: Which is better?
WRC 8 22.86%
IRC 18 51.43%
Don't care - just bring it on! 5 14.29%
World level rallying is dead 4 11.43%
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Old 5 Dec 2009, 17:16 (Ref:2594504)   #1
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WRC vs IRC - which is better?

So leading on from the WRC 2010 thread:

Which is better? The WRC or the IRC? Why?

WRC is the bigger in terms of public awareness. The big name drivers are in the WRC. The IRC looks to have a better calendar and an increasing number of manufacturers represented (whereas WRC is heading the other way). Would it be better combined with a common ruleset?
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Old 5 Dec 2009, 19:07 (Ref:2594542)   #2
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I've been following the World Rally Championship since mid 2002 - I was 8 at the time. Since then it's changed massively, and a lot of the change hasn't been for the best. A loss of manufacturers... Mitsubishi, Peugeot, Subaru to name three, and hell even Ford considered quitting at one point.

Now we're down to 2 manufacturers, while the IRC has a good few. But then this is only due to the fact that it's completely independent, so if any driver comes and competes in a Subaru for example, they're entitled to put Subaru in the manufacturer's championship list. In the IRC I can only see Peugeot and Skoda as serious manufacturer contenders, now that Abarth have quit, however Subaru seem to be entering next year (?)

I can't think of many FIA rule changes that have benefited the WRC much. For example the format of the rallies - they are a lot shorter and less demanding that they used to be. And a single tyre supplier - which tyre company would want to compete in a sport which has no competition? Costs of competing in the WRC are coming down, but are still very high. The IRC attracts more competitors because it's a lot cheaper, not only because of the car specs (electronics, engine spec) but also entry costs. I can remember Kronos Racing manager Marc van Dalen saying for the price of two WRC events, you could enter a whole IRC season.

I've been to the Rally GB, and despite the WRC losing out on entrants, the spectacle of it is still amazing.

With a new car formula being introduced soon, and a new S2000 Cup in the WRC next year, I can just see the WRC and the IRC becoming one giant amalgamation of world rallying in the not-too-distant-future.
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Old 5 Dec 2009, 21:08 (Ref:2594596)   #3
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The IRC rocks

Only marshalled on 1 International rally and it was the final round of this years IRC

wont make comparisions until i get a chance to marshall Rally GB

so i make the above statement on on my experience on Rally scotland which was BRILLIANT
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Old 6 Dec 2009, 10:57 (Ref:2594855)   #4
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IRC is simply superb and a breath of fresh air for rallying

Go on Youtube and type in something liek Russian rallying or Portugese rallying or Greek rallying. You will see IRCcars everywhere along with GpN

It attracts manufacturers and seems to be relatively cheap in comparion to the insane costs of WRC cars.

I would like to see the cars develop anotehr 50 hp perhaps and have slightly longer gearing, but otehr than that fine.

WRC is awful, great rallies but dumbed down to such a level as to make it ike a single venue event, truly awful
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Old 6 Dec 2009, 12:15 (Ref:2594883)   #5
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what we have seen from the WRC over the last few years has been horrible. Short sanitised rallies, few top line cars, seemingly a weak top line driver count and top line cars that do not translate well to TV. Add to that, the memories of when rallying was great and you feel even more short changed

On the other hand the IRC has really good TV and internet TV coverage, a lot of top line cars, top line drivers that we are getting to learn well, rallying that is a lot closer to what it should be with the Safari, Russia, the Monte this year was great, and the cars have more TV appeal (and definitely more spectator appeal) even if it could go a bit further...

So, for now the IRC has it
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This situation isn't sustainable in the long term. Manufacturers will remain split and eventually both series will fade away. The ideal situation is that both parts negociate, but I don't imagine them going that way.

A stronger European Rally Championship would suit smaller European teams who wish not to leave their continent.

The IRC has more brands, but very little full-time entries. Check this race table and you will see that only 8 drivers competed in 5 or more races out of 11. Even top drivers missed at least two races - imagine if they had visited Japan as planned. In comparison, 12 WRC drivers raced at least 8 out of 12 races this season.

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I would like to see the [IRC] cars develop anotehr 50 hp perhaps and have slightly longer gearing
Me too. The latter is because Super 2000s have six-speed gearboxes unlike WRCs, don't they?
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Old 6 Dec 2009, 20:02 (Ref:2595027)   #7
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Super 2000s have six-speed gearboxes unlike WRCs, don't they?
The vast majority of WRC's will have 6 speed boxes fitted (Peugeot tried a 4 speed in the 307 but that didn't really work out).
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Old 6 Dec 2009, 20:14 (Ref:2595033)   #8
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For me it has to be the IRC - several manufacturers, great tv and internet coverage and serious competition.

It has the real rallies that stir the blood - Monte Carlo, San Remo and the Safari - and flexible rules that allow proper night stages.

I'm not sure I want to see the series converge - it would probably just result in the WRC suits ruining the new series!
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Old 29 Dec 2009, 21:34 (Ref:2606181)   #9
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I prefer the IRC for the cars alone. The noise is fantastic.
I used to watch the RAC and travel all over the country(mid 80's)
Now I limit myself to club events and the Wydean purley to see Escorts, Andy Burton and cars with character.
S2000 cars have the same sort of character as the escorts /chevettes Sunbeans etc.
Just my opinion.
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Old 29 Dec 2009, 22:37 (Ref:2606199)   #10
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WRC has better cars (nothing wrong with S2000, but WRC cars are monsters!), IRC has better events and TV coverage. Never been to a WRC event myself but the IRC Rally of Scotland was fantastic.
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The WRC in it's current guise has been long since dead. How can this continue with 2 manufacturers?

The IRC seems to be the way forward on mnay fronts. Ok, the cars aren't as quick as the WRC cars but they're still quick and there are more manufacturers in there with more people with a chance of winning.
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Peugeot Sport is unhappy with Skoda's IRC works team.

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We intend to stay in the IRC but for me IRC is done for the importers and privateers. If next year there is still the Skoda official team as they are this year I won't stay. It's impossible for me.
If Skoda moved its works team to the SWRC, all would be much better - including competition in the latter. Having top Super 2000 drivers split between both championships is terrible.
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With WRC changing to S2000 I assume Skoda will follow.
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They have got to go back to using road cars that people can buy wrc is way off any road car/irc well may be we will get them in road form ,
watching old skool cars is so much better this fwd crap is so crap to watch ,
do another vote fwd or rwd
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They have got to go back to using road cars that people can buy wrc is way off any road car/irc well may be we will get them in road form ,
watching old skool cars is so much better this fwd crap is so crap to watch ,
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FWD? S2000 is AWD. Or do I misunderstand you?
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With WRC changing to S2000 I assume Skoda will follow.
Skoda would need a development of there current car as the WRC S2000's have turbos and other bits and pieces.
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I do understand Peugeot's complaints here - factory teams should not be in the IRC - but hopefully the all the S2000 can be converted easily to WRC spec and vice-versa. It could give a wide range of cars and the number of cars available would increase - if costs can be kept under control...
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Skoda would need a development of there current car as the WRC S2000's have turbos and other bits and pieces.
True and like you say in the other topic about possibly entry of VW that's makes it unlikely Skoda will do much development. On the other hand VW could use the Skoda to test their engine.
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