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Old 25 May 2014, 20:01 (Ref:3410530)   #501
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Dr. Ullrich only said he would never hire him, not that nobody should.
Montagny is fast and seemed like a good endurance driver - I'm surprised he didn't find a seat at Toyota.
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Old 25 May 2014, 20:03 (Ref:3410532)   #502
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He said that at Petit Le Mans, not Le Mans...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xipnO9gofhI
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Dr. Ullrich only said he would never hire him, not that nobody should.
Montagny is fast and seemed like a good endurance driver - I'm surprised he didn't find a seat at Toyota.
I´m surprised he didn´t find any seat, not only Toyota. Neither WTCC, LMP2, DP, SuperGT or GTs.
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Old 25 May 2014, 20:05 (Ref:3410534)   #504
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He said that at Petit Le Mans, not Le Mans...
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I remember this, Dumas rented a car to the airport with Frank
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Old 26 May 2014, 01:28 (Ref:3410666)   #505
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He did drive with level 5 at laguna seca in 2012 where his over aggressive driving put his hpd and a gtc Porsche in the wall.that was the last time I remember seeig him drive,oh and Le Mans I believe with oak.in p1?
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Dr. Ullrich only said he would never hire him, not that nobody should.
Montagny is fast and seemed like a good endurance driver - I'm surprised he didn't find a seat at Toyota.
We didn't need Dr. Ullrich to spell it out. It's obvious why he didn't get a seat at Toyota. The man is fast as Davidson AND French yet Toyota weren't interested. Ever since the guy has struggled to find top rides anywhere. I seriously think the On track behaviour has caused his demise. And if Dr. Wolfgang Ullrich says he won't hire a man on TV, nobody else should either .
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Dr. Ullrich only said he would never hire him, not that nobody should.
Montagny is fast and seemed like a good endurance driver - I'm surprised he didn't find a seat at Toyota.
I could well be gazumped here when Montagny does sign for Nissan, but the implication behind Ullrich's comment was that Montangy isn't worth the trouble. It appears that TMG agree, given that they hired the rest of the "younger" Peugeot drivers apart from Pagenaud, who was already Indy-bound.
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So what is Montagny doing at the moment??
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So what is Montagny doing at the moment??
He did the Indianapolis road course Indycar race in the car that Kurt Busch raced in the 500 last night.
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I think he might do some F1 TV work. Seem to see him pop up on the grid a lot during broadcasts. It's strange because, okay he had a few moments (so did McNish etc), but he certainly had the raw pace.

But this isn't the Franck Montagny thread.
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Old 26 May 2014, 15:50 (Ref:3410917)   #512
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I wouldnt mind seeing a Brabham back in a Nissan
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This isn't about the new P1 but looks as if Nissan could've entered the GT1 GT-R for Le Mans had ACO not killed the class
http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/m...rn-to-le-mans/

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They made a mistake by not entering LMGT1 in 2010. Especially as factory team. No excuse of it not being ready either seeing as it had already run in FIA GT 2009 as well as Spa 24 Hours where it completed over 500 laps!
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Old 28 May 2014, 14:51 (Ref:3411847)   #514
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This isn't about the new P1 but looks as if Nissan could've entered the GT1 GT-R for Le Mans had ACO not killed the class
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They made a mistake by not entering LMGT1 in 2010. Especially as factory team. No excuse of it not being ready either seeing as it had already run in FIA GT 2009 as well as Spa 24 Hours where it completed over 500 laps!
Meh... Nissan knew GT1 was dead before they even gave the OK for that car to be built. Even members of the board talked about it at the approval meeting.
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GT1 wasn't dead yet by 2008 (outside North America that is). Sure it was starting to look gloomy but it wasn't a suicidal decision. As Graham has said, I think the final final nail in the coffin was only the official exclusion from ACO racing.

Anyway they could've entered GT-R for 2009 race already, under official Nismo banner, and got the PR mill brewing. So they missed the possible chance to race twice before the axing of the class. Not doing so was their own fault...
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Montagny is fast, but he tends to be a "walking freakin' combat zone" on the track. He's always tended to be overaggressive and make questionable, if not at times seemingly flat out bone-headed moves.

It's ironic that an accident that wasn't really his fault lead to teams (aside from Peugeot) distancing themselves from him. But he had built up a rap sheet and that came back to haunt him. He's fast, but sometimes was too aggressive and when the aggression went up, he became a bit of a dart without feathers.
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It is easy for nissan to talk about GT1 now in 2014... the nissan gt-r GT1 had a 5.6 V8 that (barely) could be legal also in GTE without any big waiver... If nismo was interested to take part at le mans with the gt-r, they just had to adapt the GT1 car for GTE specs! no more than a new diffuser, splitter and rear wing were required, basicly the same work that V8 racing did with the C6R GT1 turned in GT2 specs to run in GT-open.
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Miyatani said nothing of adapting the GT1 car to GTE spec, merely just speaking of the short lifespan for that car's eglibility. And I stated it's sort of a double edged sword, yes the category was killed off which also destroyed their opportunity to race that car in full factory outfit, however they had two opportunities to field that car at Le Mans and they chose not to for some reason. I don't think Nissan LMGT1 involment would have saved the category in ACO racing but it could've at least prolonged it a little bit maybe.

However in the article he does say that they would like to run at Le Mans with slightly modified GT3 GT-R, not build new GTE... I don't get why they haven't attempted to do so already, we know ACO/FIA stopped caring of the rules long ago. And if BMW can turn up wit their GT3 car, slap GTE legals to the side and slightly adjust few minor cosmetic things here and there, it shouldn't be a big task for Nissan either...
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The reality is the only companies that can afford to run customer GTE programs are Porsche and Ferrari. It's always been and will always will be about them. A big M3 or a GTR will struggle at Le Mans because of the larger frontal area.
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However in the article he does say that they would like to run at Le Mans with slightly modified GT3 GT-R, not build new GTE... I don't get why they haven't attempted to do so already, we know ACO/FIA stopped caring of the rules long ago. And if BMW can turn up wit their GT3 car, slap GTE legals to the side and slightly adjust few minor cosmetic things here and there, it shouldn't be a big task for Nissan either...
As far as I know the Z4 doesn't have ACO homologation, even though IIRC they still bothered to BoP it for some reason.
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As far as I know the Z4 doesn't have ACO homologation, even though IIRC they still bothered to BoP it for some reason.
I thought it did only to race in alms/tudor and not at Le Mans.
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Yes but the fact they STILL bothered to BoP it before it ever raced in US tells to me that it was ACO legal. Why would they even include that car on their official committee decision list if it didn't have clarified homologation?

BMW just didn't want to bother with LM again.
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Agreed. They knew it would get whipped down the straights so thought better of it.
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They'd could've had better chance this year now that ACO has gone GT3 route on public and done the four day BoP tests at Ladoux. Surely Z4's lack of top line speed would have been 'fixed' accordingly
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They'd could've had better chance this year now that ACO has gone GT3 route on public and done the four day BoP tests at Ladoux. Surely Z4's lack of top line speed would have been 'fixed' accordingly
I read that the top speed issue is something that is not easily fixed as it's the cars design that is at fault.
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