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Old 13 Oct 2020, 05:34 (Ref:4010282)   #1
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Lewis Hamilton is the GOAT

as much as I dislike the bloke. Mainly cause heís a Pom and he whinges a lot. He is the greatest, and he can drive like no one else can. Schumacher won so many titles cause he had the best car. I thought he was the best. Hamilton Surpassing most of the drivers or yesteryears recordsí means he is the GOAT. He will win it again this year too. who knows, somebody else might have the skill and the luck and dethrone him. But his record speaks for itself, and itíll be very hard to beat.
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 07:40 (Ref:4010304)   #2
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as much as I dislike the bloke. Mainly cause heís a Pom and he whinges a lot. He is the greatest, and he can drive like no one else can. Schumacher won so many titles cause he had the best car. I thought he was the best. Hamilton Surpassing most of the drivers or yesteryears recordsí means he is the GOAT. He will win it again this year too. who knows, somebody else might have the skill and the luck and dethrone him. But his record speaks for itself, and itíll be very hard to beat.
So Hamilton is not in the best car? Also Schumacher was never beaten to a Championship by his team mate. However what about Clark, Stewart, Fangio, Prost, Senna, Peterson, the list is huge and of the time. Maybe Hamilton is the Best now - although Vestapen or Alonso are in for a shot

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Old 13 Oct 2020, 16:02 (Ref:4010414)   #3
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So Hamilton is not in the best car? Also Schumacher was never beaten to a Championship by his team mate. However what about Clark, Stewart, Fangio, Prost, Senna, Peterson, the list is huge and of the time. Maybe Hamilton is the Best now - although Vestapen or Alonso are in for a shot
Looking at your list, Hammy is not only the best of now but equal best of the last 30 years, with Schuey. None come close. Alonso is handy but has had what could be called a stuttering career. Verstappen I don't see even in the same book yet alone on the same page. His first 4 years were a succession of crashes, incidents, collisions and reprimands. Now he has to drive according to the rules he's less successful.
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 07:57 (Ref:4010310)   #4
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as much as I dislike the bloke. Mainly cause heís a Pom and he whinges a lot. He is the greatest, and he can drive like no one else can. Schumacher won so many titles cause he had the best car. I thought he was the best. Hamilton Surpassing most of the drivers or yesteryears recordsí means he is the GOAT. He will win it again this year too. who knows, somebody else might have the skill and the luck and dethrone him. But his record speaks for itself, and itíll be very hard to beat.
An interesting comparison, when the following was posted a few short months ago:

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Hamilton should proof himself in a car that isn't among the two best, like Schumi did back then when he moved to Ferrari.
I think it highlights why questions of 'who is the best' will never be answered to everyone's satisfaction, because of machinery, eras, competition etc...

LW97 told us that Perez, Vettel and Hulkenberg would all be capable of beating Hamilton in the same machinery.

Is Lewis the GOAT? Maybe, but it is difficult to prove beyond doubt.
Will Lewis have the best record of all time? Probably.

Maybe instead of calling him the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time), we should call him the BRAT (Best Record of All Time)?!!!
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 08:17 (Ref:4010314)   #5
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 08:44 (Ref:4010323)   #6
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Hamilton should proof himself in a car that isn't among the two best, like Schumi did back then when he moved to Ferrari.
Schumacher moved to Ferrari when the Ferrari wasn't the best car, but he only won when Jean Todt, Ross Brawn and Rory Byrne had turned it into the best car.

On the other hand, isn't getting yourself into the best car one of the skills of a top driver?
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 10:18 (Ref:4010345)   #7
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GOAT? Dunno. In some criteria probably, in others probably not. I don't think anyone can be definitive about that and it comes down to our own personal biases in the end.

He has been the greatest of my lifetime though and is in that select and exclusive top group, the one ranked just ahead of the tainted greats (Schumacher and Senna basically).
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 10:40 (Ref:4010348)   #8
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Hamilton is the greatest of his generation.

Schumacher was the greatest of his generation.

Senna was the greatest of his generation.

Clarke was the greatest of his generation.

Fangio was the greatest of his generation.

etc.

As for "GOAT" - I find these arguments tedious and frankly rather silly. How could anyone compare drivers from the 50's against drivers of today? F1 is completely and utterly different in all ways apart from the name.
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 13:58 (Ref:4010388)   #9
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Hamilton is the greatest of his generation.

Schumacher was the greatest of his generation.

Senna was the greatest of his generation.

Clarke was the greatest of his generation.

Fangio was the greatest of his generation.

etc.
Absolutely!

'it's every generation throws a hero up the pop charts'

To his credit, how much harder has LH made it for the next generation's hero?

im still bewildered that someone actually caught up to Michael!!!
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Hamilton is the greatest of his generation.

Schumacher was the greatest of his generation.

Senna was the greatest of his generation.

Clarke was the greatest of his generation.

Fangio was the greatest of his generation.

etc.

As for "GOAT" - I find these arguments tedious and frankly rather silly. How could anyone compare drivers from the 50's against drivers of today? F1 is completely and utterly different in all ways apart from the name.
This.

Canít compare generations, so letís just settle for best of his generation and the most successful of all time (well soon to be anyway)
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Old 13 Oct 2020, 11:51 (Ref:4010359)   #11
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Ah, I wondered when another 'GOAT' thread would pop up. Haven't seen one for a little while. I wonder what version number we are up to now.....?
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On track he is the GOAT. Off track he is a little Kid.
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On track he is the GOAT. Off track he is a little Kid.
Now that made me laugh, yes he is a great driver but not really the sort of person who will be remembered with great affection like sir sterling.
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