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Old 18 Nov 2004, 18:16 (Ref:1157308)   #1
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V12 says Berger!

Gerhard Berger would like to see v12's return to F1,read at www.f1racing.net Would this be practical cost wise? Which engine configuration(s) would you like to see/hear?

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Old 18 Nov 2004, 18:20 (Ref:1157315)   #2
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Would love to have V12's back in F1, if only for their sound, but it ain't gonna happen.
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Old 18 Nov 2004, 18:28 (Ref:1157323)   #3
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I'd second that.
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Old 18 Nov 2004, 18:33 (Ref:1157332)   #4
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I was thinking along the lines of something Norbert Haug suggested,perhaps a V12(of maybe 3.6 litres)that was larger in capacity that could last longer than 2 races meaning less engines would have to be built.
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Old 18 Nov 2004, 18:45 (Ref:1157348)   #5
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Love to hear the sounds of a V12 again, but due to these ridiculous new rules, it won't be happening anytime soon...
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Old 18 Nov 2004, 19:02 (Ref:1157359)   #6
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I think 5l turbocharged V12s would be the order of the day.
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Old 18 Nov 2004, 19:24 (Ref:1157375)   #7
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Methinks Mr. Ashmore must have some undisclosed holdings in the emergency healthcare industry...

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Old 18 Nov 2004, 23:19 (Ref:1157569)   #8
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I hate the prescriptive nature of the regulations. Manufacturers should be allowed to build a straight-eight or a flat-four if they want to.

Both Honda and Toyota have examined V12 concepts in recent years.
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Nothing sounds sweeter than a Ferrari V-12 in full roar!

But I do agree with BSchneider, these restrictive engine rules are stifling the creativity of the series. I think more engine makers would look to F1 if they were allowed to produce the engines they want, and are good at.
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Old 19 Nov 2004, 06:38 (Ref:1157731)   #10
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I agree too. Variety, please. So I'll change my answer to turbocharged 6l, but any coniguration.
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Old 19 Nov 2004, 08:53 (Ref:1157850)   #11
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More enigne makers just cannot afford to do F1 - that's why we keep having more and more restrictions! A four or five year stint at the top end of F1 engine supply would cost around a billion dollars at least - that just can't be sustained. More exotic configurations and solutions would be even more expensive. Perhaps if more open rules were combined with very strict regulations about materials it might be possible, but just don't see the point.
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While I agree with your reasoning Glen, it pretty dull situation IMHO.
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Old 19 Nov 2004, 09:41 (Ref:1157896)   #13
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Nearly 20,000 rpm and 1,000bhp doesn't sound dull to me. Even when we have the V8s we'll only be going back about three or four years in bhp terms, and the rpm level will likely be as high or higher than now, pluas the engines and cars will be lighter. What's so dull about that?
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Nothing sounds sweeter than a Ferrari V-12 in full roar!

But I do agree with BSchneider, these restrictive engine rules are stifling the creativity of the series. I think more engine makers would look to F1 if they were allowed to produce the engines they want, and are good at.
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Nearly 20,000 rpm and 1,000bhp doesn't sound dull to me. ... What's so dull about that?
Compared to having those things AND variety I think it is dull. The figures are impressive and exciting the variety would be interesting and exciting.
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