PI System 3C

Bevan-L · 9 Dec 2011, 20:12 (Ref:2997743)

I was just wondering if anyone knew, could the PI System 3c Dash Display work on its own, just as a dash display,with no logging etc, or does it need to hook up to a separate ecu/logger etc to function??

Thx in advance!

GolddustMini · 10 Dec 2011, 10:30 (Ref:2997973)

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Originally Posted by Bevan-L

I was just wondering if anyone knew, could the PI System 3c Dash Display work on its own, just as a dash display,with no logging etc, or does it need to hook up to a separate ecu/logger etc to function??

Thx in advance!

i presume you mean the "C-dash"

according to the user documentation "the C-Dash is a digital dash which can be used to directly display the data from a number of sensors. it can also be used to display the data from a Pi system 1 or Pi system 3 club."

so yes it can!

Bevan-L · 10 Dec 2011, 13:52 (Ref:2998063)

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Originally Posted by GolddustMini

i presume you mean the "C-dash"

according to the user documentation "the C-Dash is a digital dash which can be used to directly display the data from a number of sensors. it can also be used to display the data from a Pi system 1 or Pi system 3 club."

so yes it can!

no not the c-dash... the system 3 dash display..

GolddustMini · 10 Dec 2011, 15:10 (Ref:2998083)

sorry i do not know then! good luck!

350LH · 11 Dec 2011, 11:44 (Ref:2998389)

Hey Bevan,

If its anything like the System 3+ system I have (dash looks the same) you will need a compatible Logging Control Unit (LCU) to communicate with it, accept inputs etc.

Shoot an email to Tony Kent - tony@tkracingservices.co.uk he should be able to confirm for you.

cheers,

Sam

Bevan-L · 11 Dec 2011, 18:28 (Ref:2998503)

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Originally Posted by 350LH

Hey Bevan,

If its anything like the System 3+ system I have (dash looks the same) you will need a compatible Logging Control Unit (LCU) to communicate with it, accept inputs etc.

Shoot an email to Tony Kent - tony@tkracingservices.co.uk he should be able to confirm for you.

cheers,

Sam

Thanks Sam!! Will do now.

RPD Motorsport · 12 Dec 2011, 16:55 (Ref:2998863)

Indeed. It is only a screen and needs a box of tricks to drive it.

brown dog · 15 Dec 2011, 08:36 (Ref:3000104)

I enquired a couple of years back with Pi asking the same quesion regarding the System IV (looks the same as yours) They replied I would need the logger to drive it, and not to bother anyway as it was very old and clunky to use, and no longer supported either in software or hardware/repairs. I ended up buying an Omega dash, which has been very good.

Bevan-L · 26 Dec 2011, 04:43 (Ref:3004218)

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Originally Posted by brown dog

I enquired a couple of years back with Pi asking the same quesion regarding the System IV (looks the same as yours) They replied I would need the logger to drive it, and not to bother anyway as it was very old and clunky to use, and no longer supported either in software or hardware/repairs. I ended up buying an Omega dash, which has been very good.

For sure, i could easily fit a brand new PI/Cosworth Omega Dash or Motec ADL, but I'm currently restoring a 2L Super Touring Car so want to keep it as much as possible to the era that it raced in...

brown dog · 26 Dec 2011, 10:06 (Ref:3004254)

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Originally Posted by Bevan-L

For sure, i could easily fit a brand new PI/Cosworth Omega Dash or Motec ADL, but I'm currently restoring a 2L Super Touring Car so want to keep it as much as possible to the era that it raced in...

Yes, it was the same for me, but mine was an original DTM car. Still decided that it was better to fit something usable, than something almost useless useless (but original!)

And the Omega does look very similar to the System IV.

Bevan-L · 26 Dec 2011, 11:25 (Ref:3004265)

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Originally Posted by brown dog

Yes, it was the same for me, but mine was an original DTM car. Still decided that it was better to fit something usable, than something almost useless useless (but original!)

And the Omega does look very similar to the System IV.

Awesome!! which DTM car was it??

brown dog · 26 Dec 2011, 16:44 (Ref:3004316)

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Originally Posted by Bevan-L

Awesome!! which DTM car was it??

This one:

http://www.m3motorsport.co.nz/projects/1992-bigazzi-dtm

And yours?

Paceracing · 26 Dec 2011, 20:45 (Ref:3004362)

I totally understand the desire to keep the cars' originality but several important points to remember with these old System 3's, 4's, etc is that (i) These systems are regarded as a very complex data aquisition system for professional teams and are not simple to use (ii) Back in the day, the data logger was run by a dedicated data engineer who's only job was to run the logger and analyse the data (iii) As technology moves on, so does the hardware/software. Modern systems are simpler to use and offer more features (iv) You will need a PC running Windows 98 to operate a System 3 or 4. (v) As someone has very correctly pointed out, the Pi Omega Dash from Cosworth Electronics, (formerly Pi Research) looks almost identical, has more useful features, is simple to use and is aimed at occaisional users rather than big budget race teams.

I would recommend that you forget trying to revive this old system and cut your losses by getting an Omega dash which is the 'grandson' of these old systems and produced by the same company.

Bevan-L · 26 Dec 2011, 23:00 (Ref:3004400)

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Originally Posted by Paceracing

I totally understand the desire to keep the cars' originality but several important points to remember with these old System 3's, 4's, etc is that (i) These systems are regarded as a very complex data aquisition system for professional teams and are not simple to use (ii) Back in the day, the data logger was run by a dedicated data engineer who's only job was to run the logger and analyse the data (iii) As technology moves on, so does the hardware/software. Modern systems are simpler to use and offer more features (iv) You will need a PC running Windows 98 to operate a System 3 or 4. (v) As someone has very correctly pointed out, the Pi Omega Dash from Cosworth Electronics, (formerly Pi Research) looks almost identical, has more useful features, is simple to use and is aimed at occaisional users rather than big budget race teams.

I would recommend that you forget trying to revive this old system and cut your losses by getting an Omega dash which is the 'grandson' of these old systems and produced by the same company.

I'm not about to cut it off now and get something else... I've already sourced the LCU which is needed by dash to work as well as all bits and pieces needed to communicate with a PC... i already have a notebook running win98 as i needed it any way to communicate with the ECU in the car...

There are plenty guys (also on 10/10ths) who own super tourers running the same gear and have no dramas??? yeah sure if i wanted to log everything under the sun etc then yeah you'd want someone who knows the system well.. but at this point in time I'm happy if it just acts as a dash display while i iron out all the bugs with the car

**GTRMagic** · 26 Dec 2011, 23:07 (Ref:3004401)

I am surprised Mr Pickett kept the Pi aboard the Hyundai STs... they were worth a small fortune at the time, thought this stuff may have been parted out to keep the race team going. Presumably he didnt know what he had?