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Try that at Silverstone without a megaphone...
Even at other circuits, not all flag points are alongside PCs, assuming there are sufficient PCs for all posts and they're not busy reporting something at the time. |
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All this may of course be irrelevant if:
1) The MSA don't put it in the Blue Book 2) Clubs choose not to put it in their Regs 3) Clerks decide not to use it |
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(I've not given the following a great deal of thought so feel free to point out any nonsense.)
Regarding the simultaneous deployment of a Code 60 at all posts. Surely any advantage (or disadvantage) to drivers produced by a non-simultaneous deployment would unravel itself later on IF the green flags are deployed in a timed manner. Example: Suppose C60 is displayed to the leaders as they cross the start line, and the C60s then flow around the circuit. The tail enders may gain a time advantage as discussed earlier. Logically, provided the green is displayed at the same point the lead cars cross the line, the time advantage will reverse itself - not perfectly, but near enough. What would be required is that the greens should be timed to deploy at the start line at the same time the leaders cross it or, if they have pitted, the notional time they would have done so (easy to work out based on a 60kph lap). Replace "the leaders" with "the car that happens to be crossing the start line when C60 is activated" and the logic, I think, should be the same, although I've not thought it through. Need more alcohol. Of course, once the incident is resolved, the greens might have to be delayed by most of a 60kph lap - but currently we have to wait for the safety car to do likewise so this unavoidable. Please provide comment. Or alcohol. Phil |
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One of the advantages of the Code 60 is that it can be displayed and withdrawn without having to wait for the leaders to be approaching the startline.
If simultaneous deployment is not possible the following situation could occur. Car X is approaching the startline as the Code 60 is displayed and slows. Car Y is half way round the circuit and does not slow until the Code 60 flags reach his location. Advantage to Car Y. The incident is resolved and the Code 60 is withdrawn and green flag displayed as Car Y approaches the startline and that car increases to racing speed. Car X is now half way round the circuit and cannot increase to racing speed until the green flags reach its location. Advantage to Car Y again. There would be logistics to be sorted out; policing speeds without numerous timing loops, simultaneous deployment etc, but Code 60 has been proved to work and does increase marshal safety. If the MSA does give the trial the green light it can only be good for UK motor racing and marshals and any clerk that does decide not to use it at all is putting marshal safety lower down their priority list than it should be. |
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Yup. Now find someone prepared to spend the money to buy and maintain extra radios (and presumably headsets because you can't hear a damn thing if traffic is going past). Some circuits are still on telephones.
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As the consultation document stands at present, we do NOT have simultaneous deployment and I think it's unlikely that radios will be available at all circuits, (including isolated flag posts). We need to consider solutions to what is, rather than what we want. |
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I appreciate that puts the onus on the clubs/series organisers but I genuinely don't see all UK circuits chipping in for radios+headsets or hard-line systems any time soon. |
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You guys mean to tell me that all flag stations don't have communication, even listen-only? I mean, I can see a remote flag station might not if it's set for sight line but cued as a mirror from the main station. Main station might whistle up the mirror and give the finger countdown for the deploy and later for withdrawal, but are you telling me even that might not be possible? REALLY?
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you would not believe how backward the circuit facilities are in this country Keke! Those that make a nice fat living out of the venues seem hugely reluctant to invest for the future. Unfortunately because we are an island most 'customers' only race in the UK and don't know any different so put up with it. IMO the MSA could make radio comms part of the circuit operating licence but seem reluctant to show some leadership and rock the boat, maybe they follow the example of the chap that runs the FIA?
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Um. I'm just gobsmacked.
I'll just go along to the SCCA Majors next weekend in California and thank my lucky stars every time a VSC/red gets called (probably during the Miatas). We've had the VSC -- not quite but very close to Code 60 -- option for two years, since all club cars had transponders. We grouse about the radios because landlines are better (and we've had both so we know what we're missing) but we all have something. If nothing else it tells us when it's lunchtime! keke |
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Soooo.... First time using Code60 during the 24 hours...
Firstly, eating humble pie. It works. It works very well, surprisingly impressed and most of my worries eliminated. I didn't need to be photographed during night testing. Have a horrible feeling that's going to appear somewhere where a lot of people will see it! BUT. It needs good comms. At the 24 hours we had a decent radio system operated by people who knew what they were doing. But then, we need decent comms anyway, so if this achieves that, I'm voting in favour. |
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We thought we would warm you up to it by depositing our bumper at Copse! Oops!
As a competitor it worked very well. |
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