It’s The Latte Latte Delta Tea Break 2018 - Page 136

bauble · 19 Dec 2018, 15:07 (Ref:3871430)

Snap up the Morgan and join The Morgan Aero Challenge Series, you will not find a nicer bunch of people to race against or socialise with,and as a real bonus you will get lots of pictures of you and the car, courtesy of Tripos Media. In addition you can be sure of getting a mention in the MSCC's 'Miscellany', and the MOG Magazine.

So I'll see you around Andy.

andy97 · 19 Dec 2018, 15:19 (Ref:3871432)

All good points, Peter, thanks.

Bauble, in reality you wont find me in any of the cars i mention as all too much for me and my budget! That said, I know Andrew and Katy Thompson(Morgan Challenge competitor and cordinator) well enough and keep waiting for an invite to at least test one of his Morgans. You never know.

Colin McKay · 19 Dec 2018, 16:09 (Ref:3871450)

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Originally Posted by grantp

The USA has a lot of tax jurisdictions and any transaction can attract a number of tax raising, reporting and paying opportunities with no consistency expected.

Even that Trump fella seems to have trouble getting it right. It must be a nightmare for the poor guy

Mike Bell · 19 Dec 2018, 16:23 (Ref:3871453)

The Marcos will give you the fastest lap times if it’s a good one, but they’re homologated as GTP, not GTS, so can get classed differently by some organisers. Can be fragile..... The Mustang is heavy, uses a lot of tyres and fuel, and as Peter says a competitive engine will cost loads. If you’re using the homologated gearbox, they can suffer.

Which leaves the B and the Morgan! A good MG will cost less to buy, uses a gearbox which is widely available, and an axle which is easy to rebuild yourself. You can buy a new shell if ever needed, but new chassis and bodies are also available from Morgan for the +4.

Both are capable of having engines enlarged- the B is able to be taken over 2.0 litres by a clever builder, but doing so will reduce reliability. Morgans run the TR lump at 2.1 litres legally, but that engine (wet linered) has been taken to over 2.5 litres before now...... Moss gearboxs are getting like hens teeth and gearsets are expensive. The preferred steering box make for racing is also getting rare.

To drive? I love MGBs, but a well set up +4 is sublime. Absolutely no vices....

Mike Bell · 19 Dec 2018, 17:13 (Ref:3871461)

Interesting view on Europe from the New York Times...…

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/brexi...cid=spartanntp

Gerard C · 19 Dec 2018, 18:09 (Ref:3871468)

Interesting question/answers to Andy's question. Why not a TR4?
As to the Mustang, if you're looking for a Grp2 FIA 289, '65 or '66, have a look to the regulation, appendix K and J, and mind you what Mike said about the gearbox, supposed to be the Ford unit. Original heads are hard to source, rockers must be pressed steel and not Yella Terra style rocker rollers and so on…

Mike Bell · 19 Dec 2018, 18:27 (Ref:3871469)

TR4s are fine, but considering the homologated engine spec will be the same as a Morgan, the car is heavier, at least equally brick like, and the gearboxes are not as strong. Although I suggested that a Moss gearbox, as used in the +4, is expensive and casings are getting rare, a properly put together unit is virtually bullet proof....

Next step up- Healey 3000?

bauble · 19 Dec 2018, 19:31 (Ref:3871479)

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Originally Posted by andy97

All good points, Peter, thanks.

Bauble, in reality you wont find me in any of the cars i mention as all too much for me and my budget! That said, I know Andrew and Katy Thompson(Morgan Challenge competitor and cordinator) well enough and keep waiting for an invite to at least test one of his Morgans. You never know.

You may know better, but I am not aware of Andrew having anything but his ARV6, one of the few Morgan drivers who ONLY have one.

andy97 · 19 Dec 2018, 19:40 (Ref:3871483)

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Originally Posted by bauble

You may know better, but I am not aware of Andrew having anything but his ARV6, one of the few Morgan drivers who ONLY have one.

He has a red Zetec engined Plus 4 too. Was originally a Crossflow engined car.

bauble · 19 Dec 2018, 19:57 (Ref:3871489)

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Originally Posted by andy97

He has a red Zetec engined Plus 4 too. Was originally a Crossflow engined car.

Well there is hope for you yet.

Gerard C · 19 Dec 2018, 21:55 (Ref:3871507)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Next step up- Healey 3000?

Mike, from your knowledge, when you modify a TR4 gearbox �* la Stag mode, is it still compliant? The homologated Marcos is supposed to use a B18 engine, really hard to source, many of them being overboard by now.
The Big Healey is a great choice if you're not to tall to say the least…

The racing ones dont go for cheap money though.
Back to your first suggestion then, the Morgan is a great choice.

Lancsbreaker · 20 Dec 2018, 02:10 (Ref:3871542)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

I understand why you dont want to bother with the Spica but Webers?? C'on, do yourself a favor be brave and go the the real thing, Dell'Ortos! They go for cheap because the parts are said to be hard to source. In addition, they come with a larger airbox allowing the engine to breathe at its max. OK, you can't use the bad quality jets found here and there, but they are second to none. Replacing the ugly bumpers is a must, no question about that!

Ah, but I already have a set of Webers.........

Mike Bell · 20 Dec 2018, 06:33 (Ref:3871569)

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Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Ah, but I already have a set of Webers.........

That’s far too logical a reason.....

I’ve long held the impression that car owners were always finding an excuse to junk their Dellortos in favour of Weber’s....

Going back to ‘which race car’, Peter is quite correct about MGBs giving you a huge amount of choice of where and with whom to race. (Goodwood seems to be an exception, unless Fordwater grid is inviting one or two.) But, you can’t race a B in any Pre 63 series, whereas a +4 gives you that extra choice- if the car is declared on its HTP as being 1962 or earlier, of course.....

Gerard, I can’t answer your question regarding TR gearboxes.

Healey 3000s are now so well developed that there is hardly any point in entering anything else that runs in the same class.

At least one organiser has received requests to amend their class structure as a result, and another has introduced Rev limiters for them and other big engined cars.....

Gerard C · 20 Dec 2018, 06:35 (Ref:3871570)

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Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Ah, but I already have a set of Webers

We all have some and I must admit a complete airbox for a Dell'Orto ramp is hard to source. Anyway, Weber or Dell'Orto, keep preciously all the original jets. The copies found now are not always showing evidences of good quality. Even in GB.

Gerard C · 20 Dec 2018, 06:51 (Ref:3871571)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Going back to ‘which race car’, Healey 3000s are now so well developed that there is hardly any point in entering anything else that runs in the same class.At least one organiser has received requests to amend their class structure as a result, and another has introduced Rev limiters for them and other big engined cars.....

If you're talking about the 8000 rpm tested by the Masters, dont you think its too high to really restrict this engine? Answers to Andy's question make sens but it seems we all forgot an important factor, the fit between the driver and its machine.
I'm not a good example because I drove many 911s 2 litre (one of the worse Porsches ever imho), never really appreciate them but in endurance we had a good standard of driving and at least 8 different teams could win. If you've a perfect fit with a car, go for it… if you can test it first!

Gerard C · 20 Dec 2018, 06:59 (Ref:3871573)

Have to check for the TR's boxes. At first glance, I would say you're allowed to replace the bearings by roller bearings if this modification can be done without machining the case. There are few TR's in France, I guess at least all the bits comme from your well known suppliers, complete engines are often from Revington.

Mike Bell · 20 Dec 2018, 07:01 (Ref:3871574)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

If you're talking about the 8000 rpm tested by the Masters, dont you think its too high to really restrict this engine? Answers to Andy's question make sens but it seems we all forgot an important factor, the fit between the driver and its machine!

Yes, it a general limit but the fact that limiters are now fitted gives them the chance in the future to adjust car types as they think fit... Whether it happens, is another question!

MGBs can be a tight fit, as can Morgans (especially if you are wide of hip). TR4 is spacious in comparison.

Mike Bell · 20 Dec 2018, 07:06 (Ref:3871575)

Drones at airports. Does technology not exist to have some sort of signal blocking around the perimeters?

If they find those responsible for last night’s chaos at Gatwick, their punishment should be to be paraded amongst all the frustrated travellers in the departure halls.....

Gerard C · 20 Dec 2018, 07:07 (Ref:3871576)

Damn it, someone could be out of jail soon.
May be the first Japanese lesson he learnt was to make the difference between jacusi and… yakuza!

It's no secret that he's not a great F1 fan, now he knows there's no obvious connection between "space" and "frame".

Gerard C · 20 Dec 2018, 07:12 (Ref:3871577)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Drones at airports/ their punishment should be to be paraded amongst all the frustrated travellers in the departure halls

I visited Eiffel Tower yesterday, they make no fun with security checks. Drones are forbidden. The kind of parade you're referring to has already been experienced… the name was pilori! Note, we still have some guillotines.
I knew you're classic and sometimes old fashion but is your middle age style new?

midgetman · 20 Dec 2018, 07:47 (Ref:3871579)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Drones at airports. Does technology not exist to have some sort of signal blocking around the perimeters?

If they find those responsible for last night’s chaos at Gatwick, their punishment should be to be paraded amongst all the frustrated travellers in the departure halls.....

It must have been a deliberate attempt to shut the airport because when the all clear was sounded in the wee small hours up they popped again

According to Five Live radio most drones have a GPS inhibitor that prevents them flying near sensitive locations so again a deliberate action must have been taken to over ride it.

This is a new form of terrorism IMO.

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andy97 · 20 Dec 2018, 07:47 (Ref:3871580)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

Interesting question/answers to Andy's question. Why not a TR4?
As to the Mustang, if you're looking for a Grp2 FIA 289, '65 or '66, have a look to the regulation, appendix K and J, and mind you what Mike said about the gearbox, supposed to be the Ford unit. Original heads are hard to source, rockers must be pressed steel and not Yella Terra style rocker rollers and so on…

Must admit, I just hadn't thought about a TR4! One available on RCD within the budget range suggested". Hadn't thought about a Healey 3000 either.
Lotus Cortinas and Alfa Giulias might be in the same price range, too, I guess, but a different style of car.

**Peter Mallett** · 20 Dec 2018, 07:50 (Ref:3871581)

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Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Yes, it a general limit but the fact that limiters are now fitted gives them the chance in the future to adjust car types as they think fit... Whether it happens, is another question!

MGBs can be a tight fit, as can Morgans (especially if you are wide of hip).

The longer I've owned mine the more they have shrunk.

midgetman · 20 Dec 2018, 08:04 (Ref:3871582)

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Originally Posted by Gerard C

We all have some and I must admit a complete airbox for a Dell'Orto ramp is hard to source. Anyway, Weber or Dell'Orto, keep preciously all the original jets. The copies found now are not always showing evidences of good quality. Even in GB.

We have problems with quality of Dell'Orto jets in the karting world too.

Glad to see the Eiffel Tower is open, I'm coming across to Paris in a couple of weeks, I'd hate to miss a tourist attraction.

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midgetman · 20 Dec 2018, 08:06 (Ref:3871583)

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Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

The longer I've owned mine the more they have shrunk.

Which is why I shall have to change my screen name at some stage - ExMidgetMan!

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