BTCC 2019 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 33

Pringles · 18 Oct 2018, 05:44 (Ref:3857432)

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Originally Posted by btccbloke

I have experience of "new" MG and confirm they are not very good, feel free to message me for details as this isn't a car review thread! Details of issues with the cars, especially parts supply for the 6 and built quality with the 3 are well documented on the Web.
However, how many calls do you honestly think TPC are dealing with with people wanting to buy a newish MG compared to an Audi? And what do you think gives them the most profit margin

I didn't say anything about TPC and MG.

I said earlier you would think that a car that mostly is a back runner isn't really going to give them the coverage they want.

I hope the Audis can be moved on to perform better but they have been around a while now and no great results really.

The 6 has had its ups and downs but seems to be a much better car than the Audis.

But again all of this bears no resemblence of the road going cars as there is very little of the road car other than the basic body shell.

antnee · 18 Oct 2018, 06:23 (Ref:3857435)

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Originally Posted by Pringles

But again all of this bears no resemblence of the road going cars as there is very little of the road car other than the basic body shell.

It doesn't matter how many parts of the race car actually has an Audi stamp on them, it has an Audi (looking) grill with the Audi logo on. TPC sell cars, they are using BTCC as a promotion tool, 'buy a car this month for a chance to win VIP tickets to Silverstone', 'look at this amazing Audi race car we have, you could own one just like it for £14,995', etc.

What I am getting at is for TPC, the make/model of race car has massive relevance to the road cars.

Overboost · 18 Oct 2018, 06:59 (Ref:3857437)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Good decision from both parties. Sell them to a new team, while agreeing to help run them. Now all they need is Jake Hill to be one of the drivers

Shsun's s smart businessman, he's never over-committed himself with his BTCC projects and steadily built them up. It's now paying off and should do more so in 2019.

Alfisti · 18 Oct 2018, 07:15 (Ref:3857439)

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Originally Posted by Pringles

Just out of curiosity how much experience of the new MG'S do you have to back up your comment?

"They don't specialise in old outdated poorly built Chinese cars"

As an engineer for Rover Group (during BMW ownership), then MG Rover (after BMW) and subsequently a consultant for the current owners, I know rather a bit.

I would not go anywhere near the 6, 3 or GS. The new ZS, in truth, is a massive improvement however the engines and transmissions are a decade + behind what VW, Ford or Kia Hyundai offer for example. The MGs are also not something I'd want to be an occupant of in a crash - yes, they are better than a decade old motor but not up to current European/Korean/Japanese standards. Not yet anyway, give them 5 years or so.

Saving graces are a long warranty and low list price. In truth though, I'd recommend a used Nissan Juke or Renault Captur over a brand new ZS all day long. And buy a warranty for peace of mind.

btccbloke · 18 Oct 2018, 07:35 (Ref:3857442)

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Originally Posted by Pringles

I didn't say anything about TPC and MG.

your question related to wanting to know the rationale behind the comment
"They don't specialise in old outdated poorly built Chinese cars" "

"They" in this context is TPC.
"Poorly built Chinese cars" in this context is MG

The 6 has next to no spare parts available (ive seen a car written off because they couldn't source a boot lid), the 3 is toxic with timing chain and clutch issues, and the dealership are not famed for handling warranty claims.

Racer65 · 18 Oct 2018, 07:49 (Ref:3857443)

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Originally Posted by Pringles

I said earlier you would think that a car that mostly is a back runner isn't really going to give them the coverage they want.

It's not about where the car is on the grid. It's the fact that they are in the paddock with the facilities for potential customers etc.

It's all about the marketing. The vast majority of the people they will bring along won't be that bothered about where the cars finish. The excitement of being part of the race team for a day or two is more than enough.

For the ads they will no doubt run showing the race cars at the dealership etc the finishing position again is not that relevant.

For that exercise the Audi is a great fit.

Evantra · 18 Oct 2018, 08:48 (Ref:3857451)

Not indicative of their 2019 line-up of course, but Aiden Moffat and Mike Epps driving the HARD CC today.

jsmee · 18 Oct 2018, 08:52 (Ref:3857452)

And Ant Whorton-Eales testing for Motorbase.

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BobJones · 18 Oct 2018, 09:08 (Ref:3857457)

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Originally Posted by jsmee

And Ant Whorton-Eales testing for Motorbase.

Time for James Cole to move into historics and GTs.

touring fan01 · 18 Oct 2018, 09:13 (Ref:3857458)

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Originally Posted by jsmee

And Ant Whorton-Eales testing for Motorbase.

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its the dunlop prize for winning mini championship.

Evantra · 18 Oct 2018, 09:16 (Ref:3857460)

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Originally Posted by jsmee

And Ant Whorton-Eales testing for Motorbase.

Also a Plato. I assume that's Lewis?

touring fan01 · 18 Oct 2018, 09:23 (Ref:3857462)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Also a Plato. I assume that's Lewis?

yes

jsmee · 18 Oct 2018, 09:54 (Ref:3857470)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

its the dunlop prize for winning mini championship.

Good call.

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S griffin · 18 Oct 2018, 10:22 (Ref:3857477)

It would be good to have AWE back, he’s certainly a great talent

mickb · 18 Oct 2018, 10:37 (Ref:3857482)

Tim Harvey mentioned some time ago that the A3 audis have good aero, not is thats true. To me they are the best long term bet, and given the shared sub frames etc with some time and focus can be where the MG6 is now. If they get beat by the MG in 2019 then its different story....

Racing Harz · 18 Oct 2018, 11:51 (Ref:3857505)

Aiden Moffat and Mike Epps testet the HARD CC today.

crmalcolm · 18 Oct 2018, 12:09 (Ref:3857507)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Not indicative of their 2019 line-up of course, but Aiden Moffat and Mike Epps driving the HARD CC today.

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Originally Posted by Racing Harz

Aiden Moffat and Mike Epps testet the HARD CC today.

In other news - Moffat and Epps had a trial in the HARD CC today...

Comments surrounding the name Plato on the Ford raised (incorrect) assumptions from some that it could have been Jason. When it was suggested that he wouldn't leave Subaru, a team owner from elsewhere on the grid said that he his departure from Subaru is already a 'done deal'.

HopAlong · 18 Oct 2018, 12:27 (Ref:3857512)

I always thought the S3 had untapped potential. When it debuted in 2014, I thought it looked really well prepared, just look at the grille, it wasn't just blacked out like now, or a sticker like other teams. The car was working its way up the order last year and I think without AMD taking on the MG and with AWE it could have won the odd reverse race this year. Its almost the ideal car (unless BMW bring out a 2 series grand coupe or BMR switch to a WRX) and if developed well it should be right up there, surprises me Cicely didn't go for the CLA. Also look at the RS3 (really an S3) in TCR, all the plusses of the Golf and Cupra with non of the drawbacks, hence the crappy BoP it gets.

jsmee · 18 Oct 2018, 12:38 (Ref:3857515)

Doesn't the Plato/Motorbase stuff all seem a bit, well, odd?

If it happened, it would be a big news story for the championship. Teasing as they are would just lose the element of surprise and intrigue if confirmed and announced.

Equally, if it is LewisPlato, which seems more likely, how would he feel sponging off the Plato brand? Surely he would rather make his own way?

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billy bleach · 18 Oct 2018, 12:42 (Ref:3857516)

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Originally Posted by jsmee

Doesn't the Plato/Motorbase stuff all seem a bit, well, odd?

If it happened, it would be a big news story for the championship. Teasing as they are would just lose the element of surprise and intrigue if confirmed and announced.

Equally, if it is LewisPlato, which seems more likely, how would he feel sponging off the Plato brand? Surely he would rather make his own way?

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What are you suggesting Lewis changes his name? Maybe to Hamilton?...

VIVA GT · 18 Oct 2018, 12:58 (Ref:3857520)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

What are you suggesting Lewis changes his name? Maybe to Hamilton?...

Hamilton Plato? That's just silly...

jsmee · 18 Oct 2018, 13:05 (Ref:3857523)

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Originally Posted by billy bleach

What are you suggesting Lewis changes his name? Maybe to Hamilton?...

Clearly not............

Clearly the BTCC's posts insuate it is Jason, which is pretty unprofessional if it is Lewis.

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Evantra · 18 Oct 2018, 13:09 (Ref:3857527)

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Originally Posted by jsmee

Clearly the BTCC's posts insuate it is Jason, which is pretty unprofessional if it is Lewis.

Yes, JEP confirmed it as Lewis.

Motorbase have now stuck 'Jackson' on the other car 😂

Robin Marriott · 18 Oct 2018, 13:27 (Ref:3857538)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Yes, JEP confirmed it as Lewis.

Motorbase have now stuck 'Jackson' on the other car 😂

OJ!

btccbloke · 18 Oct 2018, 13:32 (Ref:3857543)

Tom Jackson

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