No driver orders at Mclaren?/McLaren under investigation

[Frank_White]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

Well if this truly warrants investigation, a lot of race results will need to be reviewed retrospectively.

Quite how they will prove this I am unsure. Quite what would be punishable I am at a loss.

6 laps lighter in Monaco probably sounds a lot, but don't forget the fuel consumption there is probably a fair bit less than other tracks.

Would we be having this debate if the shoe was on the other foot? I'm as eager as anyone for Lewis to get a win, but he wasn't good enough this weekend. Simple facts sort this out. His time is very close however.

Alonso would never have accepted Lewis 's strategy for himself.

[Marbot]

It seems that the race was already won before the end of qualifying.What next I wonder? Before the end of Saturday practice? Before the end of Thurs/Fri practise? Or maybe the one who arrives at the Mclaren motorhome first!

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Frank_White

Lewis stated he was fuel to run up to 6 laps longer than Fernando in the first stint.

Link??

[Frank_White]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Link??

Read the FIA after race press conference.

[Knowlesy]

If McLaren are investigated for this then I am ashamed of this sport.

If anything further happens, this is not a sport.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Paulc

He He nuff said .

The same FIA that has ruined F1?

Originally Posted by martyn bott

It seems that the race was already won before the end of qualifying.What next I wonder? Before the end of Saturday practice? Before the end of Thurs/Fri practise? Or maybe the one who arrives at the Mclaren motorhome first!

Fortunately McLaren can do what they want. Or though that doesn't seem acceptable nowadays; we need an enquiry into how someone decides to run their team.

The papers should organise a demonstration outside McLarens factory, just as they did when Williams didn't re-sign Mansell.

[Paulc]

Originally Posted by Mr V

And the gutter press, sorry, the British media wouldn't have muttered a word had the drivers been told to "hold station" with Lewis leading.

Can anyone tell me, when, fighting for the lead, one driver overtook his team-mate during a race at Monaco? Had McLaren been suicidal enough to let their drivers beat each other up on the track, i'd bet Lewis wouldn't have managed to get past anyway, not without damaging his own and/or Fernando's race.

Yes but we would have had a race!!!!! is that not what we want?

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by Frank_White

Read the FIA after race press conference.

He also said

Lewis Hamilton, McLaren (2nd):
“To finish second and running similar lap times to Fernando (Alonso) at the prestigious Monaco Grand Prix makes me very happy. The team has done a fantastic job, and Fernando and I were able to give them the result they deserved. My start was quite good, and I could run close to Fernando but obviously it didn’t make sense to try anything crazy as our job is to ensure the maximum amount of points for the team. It’s almost impossible to overtake in Monaco and as a result your only chance is for the guy in front of you to make a mistake. However, Fernando is a double world champion so I knew there would be none. I had good pace in the beginning, but then I had some graining on my front tyres which didn’t help. It was an exciting race which also saw me tapping the guardrails a couple of times, fortunately without influencing the handling of the car. All in all a great weekend for the team and me.”

Originally Posted by Paulc

Yes but we would have had a race!!!!! is that not what we want?

It wouldn't have lasted long once they'd stuffed it into one another.

[Charlies]

Of course we want a race, but McLaren had to safeguard 18 points, when Ferrari were having an off weekend.

If the FIA do penalise McLaren then there'll be plenty of accusations of a fix, in Ferrari's favour. Ron Dennis hasn't helped his case though.

It's a team sport, and McLaren played a team game. Hamilton never convinced me that he could beat Alonso. He was in another league.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Frank_White

Read the FIA after race press conference.

Yes, Lewis said five or maybe six.
It has also been stated that Alonso was two laps later than was meant to be; he saved fuel in the early laps and the formation lap. (Same presss conference).

Further, do we actually know that more fuel was put in Hamiltons car at the first stop? If McLaren were trying to hinder Lewis why would they do this? Mark Hughes said that Hamilton's stop was 0.5s longer, that is all we have to go on. I presume he got this from the "total time in the pits" information http://www.formula1.com/race/result/pitstops/774/8.html (?).

However it now seems the public are getting what they want - an investiagation into the result. If it is changed then that is more like fixing it. The British media are suggesting that McLaren should have put both their cars at more risk; it may have lost Hamilton eight points, McLaren 18 and a British driver and British team the championship.

Originally Posted by Paulc

Yes but we would have had a race!!!!! is that not what we want?

I just want F1 to be like it has always been in this respect. Bring back the good old days!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Paulc]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

It seems that the race was already won before the end of qualifying.What next I wonder? Before the end of Saturday practice? Before the end of Thurs/Fri practise? Or maybe the one who arrives at the Mclaren motorhome first!

The first one to get Ron a coffee in the morning before first free practise gets the race!

[Marbot]

Link.http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...280507-01.html

[Knowlesy]

In a way I hope McLaren are stripped of all their points for Monaco.

I would be very interested indeed to see the reaction here should the team lose by 17 points and Lewis/Fernando by 7/9 points...

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

In a way I hope McLaren are stripped of all their points for Monaco.

I'll be up for that too.

Give the pubic what they want. It is their sport they should be able to chose who it is run, how the teams are run and who wins. Why should The Ron have that privilege?

[Paulc]

Originally Posted by Charlies

Of course we want a race, but McLaren had to safeguard 18 points, when Ferrari were having an off weekend.

If the FIA do penalise McLaren then there'll be plenty of accusations of a fix, in Ferrari's favour. Ron Dennis hasn't helped his case though.

It's a team sport, and McLaren played a team game. Hamilton never convinced me that he could beat Alonso. He was in another league.

Not looking to good this for Ron Dennis, Ferrari have a history with getting the weight with the FIA have to agree there Dennis doesent seem to help his cause though.

[Kebab]

If the FIA do anything due to British media getting the facts completely wrong and over-hyping the situation it will be far worse for the sport.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Kebab

If the FIA do anything due to British media getting the facts completely wrong and over-hyping the situation it will be far worse for the sport.

You can count me out of bothering with F1 for a start, if anything is done.

We talk a lot about the gutter press, media, ITV etc... and how annoying they can be. But once it gets to the stage where they can, theoretically, interfere with the sport we love it's the day the sport becomes a major irrelevance.

[Adam43]

It is what people want though. If we are to get rid of these team orders that have tainted the sport for the last one hundred years we must take action.

The revolution is here my friend and The Ron is the first against the wall.

[Kebab]

Originally Posted by Paulc

The first one to get Ron a coffee in the morning before first free practise gets the race!

If anything Hamilton had the better strategy ... he had the potential to switch to a one-stop race should there be a safety car, Alonso didn't.

4 out of 5 of the last races had a safety car!

Obviously teams are going to hedge their bets to ensure the best chance of maximum points ... if this means pitting Hamilton early 'cos the safety car went on standby, no one can object.

I think everyone incorrectly assumes Hamilton has the pace to out-race Alonso, which simply wasn't true at any point in Monaco except when Alonso slowed deliberately after his 2nd stop ... only to speed up again by nearly 2secs/lap.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

If anything further happens, this is not a sport.

It may have been a "race",but it failed to be a "sport".

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

If McLaren are investigated for this then I am ashamed of this sport.

If anything further happens, this is not a sport.

Investigation? I am with Knowles. An investigation into this hurts the sport more than any "team rules" nonsense that the media has stirred up.

[Charlies]

The media are just annoyed that Dennis has restricted their access to Hamilton and that they didn't get the fairytale story they'd spent two weeks predicting, so now they are looking for a scapegoat. Step forward Ron.

Dennis hasn't helped himself by being so candid though.

Alonso had the pace to control the race. I'm a Hamilton fan, but this wasn't going to be his race regardless of the strategy.

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

You can count me out of bothering with F1 for a start, if anything is done.

We talk a lot about the gutter press, media, ITV etc... and how annoying they can be. But once it gets to the stage where they can, theoretically, interfere with the sport we love it's the day the sport becomes a major irrelevance.

You mentioned that word again (sport).

To be honest,I think that the 'complainees' will be eating pasta around about now.

[Sev]

My god. A thread, where two trolls are managing to stir up a massive crowd.

Look at the stats on "Driver of the Day" poll: frankly, I think that says volumes about what people think. I'd guess that probably >90% of people think Alonso deserved to win that race. Even Hamilton admitted that his strategy had largely hinged on the safety car.

As for the FIA investigation, I frankly think that's appalling. What McLaren did was entirely correct. They used a strategy which covered both bases, and Alonso had looked stronger through qualifying, so he deserved to be on the one which required pure pace rather than luck.

And as a final note to the trolls: If your *****ing so much about TC and strategies etc, well, the technology and strategy is what makes F1 unique. If everyone had to pit once, and all the cars were some low tech crap, I wouldn't watch it, and i'd bet a lot of others wouldn't either.

If you complain that Monaco wasn't racing, frankly, go and watch karting. You clearly aren't enjoying F1, so stop trying to annoy every one else while your at it.

[Inigo Montoya]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

To be honest,I think that the 'complainees' will be eating pasta around about now.

Wow, the English press eats together at the same hour, in an Italian restaurant, no less... Well, at least they have taste.