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Old 11 Jan 2015, 16:20 (Ref:3491867)   #151
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Well that has aolved that mystery!! I wondered where that post went...
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Old 22 Feb 2015, 17:27 (Ref:3507708)   #152
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Hi guys. A friend of mine is looking for Group B CR-X homologation papers.
B-257 & B-281
He wants them for point of reference for his AT Civic.

Also any other Group B papers gladly welcomed by me for a research project I'm working on.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 26 Mar 2015, 22:41 (Ref:3520086)   #153
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Gentlemen,

Sorry I'm new to this part of the forum, so are past FIA papers accessable then?

I am trying to help out a "European" owner who has a Marcos Gullwing, and would like to find any related FIA papers as he wants to race the car. He has been told the car he has is modified, and he needs to return it to drum brakes. We know the cars has race with discs, but we need to prove this, and presume this would be covered in the FIA paperwork.

Any pointers of where/how to look details up would be appreciated.
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Old 26 Mar 2015, 23:38 (Ref:3520107)   #154
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Try a call to the MSA (01753 765000). I have bought FIA homologation papers from them. Knowing the homologation number would be a help. I don't know if their is a list of homologation numbers anywhere.
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Old 27 Mar 2015, 08:50 (Ref:3520216)   #155
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The FIA homologation number for the Marcos Gullwing is 33A and for the Fastback 33B.
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Old 27 Mar 2015, 22:36 (Ref:3520643)   #156
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Thank you for the Marcos info, most appreciated.
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Old 3 Apr 2015, 13:12 (Ref:3523334)   #157
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Hello,

I hope it my following recommondation will be helpfull to someone. As I´m from Germany the information i could give are from the German DMSB (national motorsport autority) but the importend infos have nothing to do with the language.

Go to dmsb.de
than press infos für aktive
than
the link under Automobilsport
than
press historischer motorsport
than
under technische reglements... the link - technische dukumente-
than
under homoligationen
the einblenden sektion
than
liste ausgelaufene homoligationen deutscher hersteller
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liste ausgelaufene homoligationen ausländischer(foreign) Hersteller
press the download button from the section (german or foreign car munufakturer)
open or download the dokument

So now we at the intersesting part of the story

There are all cars listet that have had a homoligation and because the most here looking for Appendix K, all the cars with appendix K homoligation.

There is a number in front of each row. This number is the FIA identifikation code
for the homoligation sheed of every single car.

With this number you are able to order the homoligation sheet from the DMSB or directly from the FIA in France oer from you national Motorsport people.

I hope this is a help to someone and sorry that it looks so complicated and please excuse my bad english.
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Old 5 Apr 2015, 15:06 (Ref:3524084)   #158
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I have a question please. It concerns the definition of "International" when it comes to eligibility for HTP. In Australia CAMS have this issue for cars that lived their entire life there and in fact were "born" there. They seem to have come to some form of agreement with the FIA.
In Europe, some Irish made cars raced for decades in Ireland or the USA but there seems to be a reluctance to consider this "International". This is especially a problem when the car in question might be one of one!

Any thoughts please - outside of the option of simply not asking for an HTP and going for HSCC papers??
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Old 5 Apr 2015, 16:27 (Ref:3524097)   #159
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My understanding is that the definition 'International' refers to the status of any particular event, not country it is held in. You have levels from Club, through National to International.......

For example, in period a UK based rally car could have competed in the RAC Rally, which was an International status event, but never in its life left the British Isles. In the FIA's world, it has competed Internationally.

Make sense?

I would add the the requirement for any car applying for HTP to have competed 'Internationally' in period is not set in stone. There are many examples of cars that raced or rallied at a lower level being granted Papers.
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Old 5 Apr 2015, 16:35 (Ref:3524098)   #160
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Mike,

That bit I get. However, what about a car that never competed in an "International" event simply because there were no such events? Common experience in Aus and NZ and commoner in Ireland and England that might be obvious. This is mainly an issue for rare or unique cars - large production run cars are easy because someone, somewhere may have driven one in an International event even if it isn't your one. Does that mean the one-off cars are not eligible? Several of them appear at the Revival every year - but then Goodwood has its own view on the world!
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Old 5 Apr 2015, 16:38 (Ref:3524100)   #161
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The FIA does have a strange biew on life. The HTC is supposed to be an ID for the car. However they won't recognising it if it has been modified from their version of whatever group it ran in. Even if that was a recognized formula sanctioned by the FIA. Go figure as they say.
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As far as I know is the FIA regulation the following:

An international Race concerning the HTP is any event that was run under the period FIA internatinal homoligated classes.
The car had not to leave the country for this. Most FIA racing series where run over europe for example.
There where also many national series without matching the FIA regulations.
The FIA does not careobout this history for getting an HTP.

The thing is that there are quite a few cars out there which you can´t even find in the FIA homoligation list and they do have an HTP.
If you ask the FIA about that you want get a proper answer.

Depending in what race class you wanted to start it´s much easier to get an national Race pass. In Germany this is called Wagenpass.
This enable you to run in a few different race series but non you need the HTP for.
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Old 5 Apr 2015, 17:48 (Ref:3524130)   #163
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That bit I get. However, what about a car that never competed in an "International" event simply because there were no such events? Common experience in Aus and NZ and commoner in Ireland and England that might be obvious. This is mainly an issue for rare or unique cars.
IMHO the individual case needs to be presented with all the historical info that can be found. Frustrating bit is that you have to pay fees up front with no cast iron guarantee.......

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Old 5 Apr 2015, 17:53 (Ref:3524132)   #164
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or frequently any common sense. I once owned a McLaren M1B and they told me the car was the wrong rear track. I asked where they got their measurements from and they told me it was a recent reference book about McLaren cars. When I told them that the car used in that book to produce the measurements and pictures was in fact MY car - the one and same car they were now disputing- they seemed unamused! Sometimes one wonders about such people!!
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Old 7 Apr 2015, 06:20 (Ref:3524544)   #165
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Quite rightly so in some cases! Four and a bit years of trying to get papers for an HRG that ran in the 1949 Spa 24hrs.All paperwork submitted, all means a book full of programs and result sheets.Endless emails/telephone calls only to be told various lies about the papers being "on top of my desk" was the favorite from the book of excuses.
And the excuses came from about three different "inspectors", one of whom was more content with playing on his yacht
BUT, we got there in the end.Really helpful German guy sorted out the mess created in the uk and after a few week of sorting you get the call "your papers are in the post".Guess what, they arrived next day.
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