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Old 13 Dec 2018, 08:43 (Ref:3869837)   #3076
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I don’t believe for one minute that Mrs May ever wanted the job.
According to our news here she still has the job (she never wanted)
Having said that I have to say I am the least politically interested person in politics I know. Our lot seem to argue more about who is going to lead the gang this week than on real issues. Whoever is 'in' I still pay more taxes, often the same taxes that they promised to phase out and then get relaunched with a different name.

Talking of broken promises, my only observation is that you always know when a politician is lying.... he / she move their lips!

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Old 13 Dec 2018, 08:53 (Ref:3869840)   #3077
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I have some opinions on this matter but given the UK govt. decided that I wasn't entitled to a vote and this isn't a political forum it's not worth me getting involved.

Currently the reducing value of the pound is saving me money so I can't really complain!

As with arguments about the FIA it's not really worth the time, there are benefits and disadvantages to such organisations and you can discuss them all endlessly but it won't make a difference and I find it's better to just make the most of the benefits.

Peter - who's never been paid by the EU, did turn down the opportunity to work for them though.
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Old 13 Dec 2018, 09:28 (Ref:3869845)   #3078
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I agree they are fighting for independence but the leaders of the leave campaign (Boris the idiot, Michael Gove, etc) all did exactly that and took their leave when David Cameron resigned. We were then left with Mrs May (a mild remainer) when none were prepared to step forward in a leadership role to navigate through what has been a torrid time. Would they have been any more successful? If so, why didn't they take up the challenge? I would have no faith in their abilities to have united either the conservatives or the leavers in to a cohesive force to fight our corner against the EU negotiators.
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I have some opinions on this matter but given the UK govt. decided that I wasn't entitled to a vote and this isn't a political forum it's not worth me getting involved.

Currently the reducing value of the pound is saving me money so I can't really complain!

As with arguments about the FIA it's not really worth the time, there are benefits and disadvantages to such organisations and you can discuss them all endlessly but it won't make a difference and I find it's better to just make the most of the benefits.

Peter - who's never been paid by the EU, did turn down the opportunity to work for them though.
Peter you are no fun, look how busy we all are here, not often we get so many posts per day on a single subject, and it allows us to take our minds away from Historic Racing for a while. As someone said; we could e discussing Ford Escorts ad nauseum - again.
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Old 13 Dec 2018, 09:40 (Ref:3869850)   #3081
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Agree with Morningents.

And in the spirit of democracy, those that lost the vote on Mrs May last night by very roughly 2 to 1 should accept defeat and let the Govt get on with it now. Arguing that because she only won by 200-117, Mrs May should resign just makes JR-M look even more daft than normal.

There was never going to be any possibilty of a perfect deal that would satisfy everyone. The country is too split, views are too entrenched. We should also realise that it takes 2 sides to negotiate and we have to come up with a deal that is acceptable to both sides. Probably not posdible and still satisy everyone at home. Its time to vote on the deal on the table and accept or reject and get on with delivering the consequences.

Sadly i fear that even when we are out, the arguments and back biting will continue for decades. Oh great.

Now, about continuation cars, legality and orginality in historic racing.......

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Sadly i fear that even when we are out, the arguments and back biting will continue for decades. Oh great.
The trouble is with the current "deal" the UK will never be out. And like the other Peter M I wasn't permitted to vote!
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The trouble is with the current "deal" the UK will never be out. And like the other Peter M I wasn't permitted to vote!
It the only deal on the table, Peter. Our “esteemed” representatives vote on the deal in Parliament and if we dont like it, we are out under WTO rules. Thats it, have the vote, deal with the consequences and get on with it.
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Anybody asked why we actually need a "deal" with the EU? There are certain areas where we should be working together but a deal? Many of the countries in the EU get a majority of their income from the UK so why wouldn't they want a deal with us?

As to what's on the table, it is not a deal. It is an ultimatum. I've spent the last umpteen years negotiating deals/contracts/agreements etc. And I can tell you, what we've seen is not a negotiation.
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Anybody asked why we actually need a "deal" with the EU? There are certain areas where we should be working together but a deal? Many of the countries in the EU get a majority of their income from the UK so why wouldn't they want a deal with us?

As to what's on the table, it is not a deal. It is an ultimatum. I've spent the last umpteen years negotiating deals/contracts/agreements etc. And I can tell you, what we've seen is not a negotiation.
History now. Whats done is done. We have a choice - accept the deal/ultimatum on the table or WTO rules.

Accept it and move on. Never likely to be any other way. There are no options being offered that i am aware of and no matter what deal/ ultimatum was on the table a significant faction would have been either angry or think they could fo a better job or both.

Never going to be any winner in this.
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Not history at all Andy. If we were to tell the EU that we were walking away and keeping the divorce money. What would they do? So far we don't have any binding agreement because it needed to be ratified in Parliament. If we aren't subject to the ECJ, which we wouldn't be, then all it can do is stamp its feet.

Just think how happy M. Macron would be when Airbus closes its Toulouse factory and the 68000 jobs, for lack of Welsh wings? And I realise there's a counter argument but since we would be keeping our money we could, and indeed should take care of those workers in Wales, whether they are from other countries or the UK.

So yes WTO rules is where we go then the EU comes to us asking if we'd like to continue exporting to them. Put simply, that's negotiation.

What has happened is this. We went cap in hand and said we want to keep your business but we don't want to accept your rules. Hence to paraphrase Monty Python "they farted in our general direction."
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Agree Peter, but we are where we are, so time to vote in Parliament and deal with the aftershocks.
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Not history at all Andy. If we were to tell the EU that we were walking away and keeping the divorce money. What would they do? So far we don't have any binding agreement because it needed to be ratified in Parliament. If we aren't subject to the ECJ, which we wouldn't be, then all it can do is stamp its feet.

Just think how happy M. Macron would be when Airbus closes its Toulouse factory and the 68000 jobs, for lack of Welsh wings? And I realise there's a counter argument but since we would be keeping our money we could, and indeed should take care of those workers in Wales, whether they are from other countries or the UK.

So yes WTO rules is where we go then the EU comes to us asking if we'd like to continue exporting to them. Put simply, that's negotiation.

What has happened is this. We went cap in hand and said we want to keep your business but we don't want to accept your rules. Hence to paraphrase Monty Python "they farted in our general direction."
Peter, I think that without further ado you should should offer your services to HMG as Brexit Negotiator. You should be paid a small fortune enabling you to carry on racing your Rover (and anything else that you fancy) and afterwards be Knighted and offered the job of Prime Minister (I'd vote for you).
This is the most reassuring piece of common (market -ho ho) sense Ive read about the whole debacle since it all started!
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As Rees-Mogg pointed out to the Beeb; the referendum was not about a deal, but about leaving the EU. So as we all (mostly?) agree parliament should simply get us out regardless of consequences. That is certainly what I voted for.

Anything -ANYTHING is better than remaining in the EU quagmire.


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And made in Portugal (so I believe) but not in their historical home in the Midlands.
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Peter you are no fun, look how busy we all are here, not often we get so many posts per day on a single subject, and it allows us to take our minds away from Historic Racing for a while. As someone said; we could e discussing Ford Escorts ad nauseum - again.
Sorry about that, of course this is the time of year we are meant to have a break from historic racing but the way they keep squeezing new meetings in the holiday gets shorter and shorter. It can't be long before we see boxing day meetings again!

Having never had a Ford Escort and only driven a couple of them I can't add anything to such exciting discussions but I am always amused to hear how many different "original" versions of such cars can exist!

Meanwhile I'm waiting to hear if it's possible to register a rebodied (e.g. a special) Riley in Belgium, if it is then I have the pleasure of sorting out the oil leak and why turning the steering wheel has so little effect on the wheels!!
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Having never had a Ford Escort and only driven a couple of them I can't add anything to such exciting discussions but I am always amused to hear how many different "original" versions of such cars can exist!

Meanwhile I'm waiting to hear if it's possible to register a rebodied (e.g. a special) Riley in Belgium, if it is then I have the pleasure of sorting out the oil leak and why turning the steering wheel has so little effect on the wheels!!
I suppose you could argue that any saloon / sports / GT car racing now using a period (albeit restored) bodyshell is an original car. Maybe the model or specification will have changed, however! If built from a brand new shell (like a lot of Minis and MGBs) then maybe not?

What year is your Riley, Peter? My Dad had a Brooklands Riley while at college before WW2, which thanks to Tenths I discovered still exists, even though last news was that it was a project waiting for rebuild.....
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My MGB was built from an original shell I found for £750.00 on E Bay.

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When we stripped it down we discovered a pair of rear adjustable competitoin dampers so the shell, or what was left of it, paid for itself.
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I suppose you could argue that any saloon / sports / GT car racing now using a period (albeit restored) bodyshell is an original car. Maybe the model or specification will have changed, however! If built from a brand new shell (like a lot of Minis and MGBs) then maybe not?

How year is your Riley, Peter? My Dad had a Brooklands Riley while at college before WW2, which thanks to Tenths I discovered still exists, even though last news was that it was a project waiting for rebuild.....
What's bewildering is all the different mechanical specifications that were apparently used in period.
Unless a car did something in period I'm not really bothered about whether the bodyshell etc. is new or old, after all there's very few old bodies that haven't had some surgery over the years.

The Riley started life as a 1937 Adelphi 12/4 (1500cc), it's not mine though. The guy who does my paintwork is meant to be sorting it for a customer but he's rather busy (on more exotic cars) and because we've had lots of Rileys in the past (two Sprites, Lynxes..) he decided it would be better to get me to sort it.

Brooklands are lovely but tiny, must be good to know that your Dad's one has survived, there are plenty that didn't make it!
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You’re getting a bit sensitive in your old age Peter!

I said ‘A lot of’, not ‘All’’, and I’m pretty sure that is the case, as new shells are available off the shelf.... (Well probably not off the shelf, as I believe they’re built in batches.)
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