2011 spec chassis and tires - official?! - Page 9

Tim Northcutt · 16 Jan 2009, 18:37 (Ref:2372881)

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Originally Posted by mountainstar

Yes apparently the irl had the knee pads out when they went over to Germany last month to beg. Don't count your chickens till the eggs hatch. And don't be surprised if Honda wanders off the reservation.

Who knows what will happen over the next six months with the world economy in such bad shape, let alone by 2011....If those scenarios do occur before the end of the year, I guess you'll just be getting an early Christmas present, mountainstar...

Canada ALMS fan · 16 Jan 2009, 20:01 (Ref:2372946)

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Originally Posted by Tim Northcutt

If they're smart, they would just adopt the ACO's LMP2 engine specifications and adjust the horsepower up to about 700 hp...the teams would have a lot of options to choose from for their horsepower.

That would be great but I don't think TG's ego would allow him to play by anyone else's rules.

Tim Northcutt · 16 Jan 2009, 20:16 (Ref:2372953)

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Originally Posted by Canada ALMS fan

That would be great but I don't think TG's ego would allow him to play by anyone else's rules.

All they would be doing is taking the displacements and such for both turbos and normally-aspirated engines used in LMP2 and loosening the air restrictor aspects of it to give the cars about 700 or 750 hp and telling those many engine builders "here is another market in which you can sell your engines"....

That isn't "playing by anyone's else's rules".....It is taking general engine specs that work in sportscar racing with a variety of engine configurations and merely adapting them to fit the higher horsepower, etc., that the IRL would want from their cars....

The former Champ Car fans who hate Tony George so much should hear stories told by corner marshalls who have worked in Champ Car events as well as joint IRL/ALMS weekends about how CC treated them like crap, but Tony George would take the time to meet all of the corner workers at the "night before the race" dinner, shake their hands and personally thank them for supporting the weekend...Many of them like the guy and think he is both genuine and down-to-earth and have told me so...

Tony George is not the Anti-Christ and never has been...the war ended last year...time to move on...

indycool · 16 Jan 2009, 21:17 (Ref:2372993)

IMO, TG-hating or not is going to play absolutely no part in what eventually comes out on this.

Canada ALMS fan · 16 Jan 2009, 21:27 (Ref:2373000)

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Originally Posted by Tim Northcutt

The former Champ Car fans who hate Tony George so much should hear stories told by corner marshalls who have worked in Champ Car events as well as joint IRL/ALMS weekends about how CC treated them like crap, but Tony George would take the time to meet all of the corner workers at the "night before the race" dinner, shake their hands and personally thank them for supporting the weekend...Many of them like the guy and think he is both genuine and down-to-earth and have told me so...

Tony George is not the Anti-Christ and never has been...the war ended last year...time to move on...

Unification is a good thing, I just want what is best for open wheel, and that includes a leader who has its' best interests at heart, if that is TG I accept that. The war is over and the loser has been the fans with open wheel being only a shadow of its' former self so it is hard to ever forgive TG and the others who caused the split (including those on the CART side). Whoever is calling the shots needs to be accountable to the fans and manufacturers, and needs to develop a stable formula which is exciting, high tech, non spec, but still cost effective. (don't ask for much do I?

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mountainstar · 17 Jan 2009, 00:54 (Ref:2373135)

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Originally Posted by Tim Northcutt

Who knows what will happen over the next six months with the world economy in such bad shape, let alone by 2011....If those scenarios do occur before the end of the year, I guess you'll just be getting an early Christmas present, mountainstar...

Exactly. God knows. I do keeping hearing via friends more and more people getting let go or facing the chop. I think we'll see some teams go out of business in every series out there. Not to mention tracks. There was one track I was at recently that it appeared to be hurting financially and I just heard about another one having some problems.

I have heard rumors from friends at Honda that Honda wants out the door soon. Whether that happens?? Probably more likely in this climate right now. Nobody saw Honda F1 getting the chop that quickly. If car sales pick back up this year and things calm down some and if some genuine competition in the irl turns up perhaps the chances are better of staying the course.

Maybe I will get an early Christmas present.

johntt · 3 Feb 2009, 21:30 (Ref:2387717)

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/73113

Honda - already there.
Audi & VW - can't see both brands getting involved, one or the other.
Porsche - maybe, they didn't have a problem competing against Audi in the ALMS for the last 2 years.
Fiat - possible, Fiat specialise is small cars with small engines so a 2 litre turbo is right in their area.

nic.v814 · 3 Feb 2009, 22:48 (Ref:2387772)

Looks promising if its true hopefully they will end up with at least 3 different engine suppliers. Im surprised toyota isnt in that group.

cptkablamo · 4 Feb 2009, 01:55 (Ref:2387855)

Can't see Porsche racing against VW or Audi either... So I would say the Fiat group the VW group and the Honda group are interested...

mountainstar · 4 Feb 2009, 06:22 (Ref:2387920)

Actually all it was was more tea and biscuits like last June. The press release was hysterical with all the non committal PR spin comments. Brainfart said "well maybe it will be 2012 now

". Gimme a break.

climb · 4 Feb 2009, 07:29 (Ref:2387934)

Here in Italy Fiat have confirmed their interest; probably the recent Chrysler takeover is playing a role.

http://italiaracing.net/notizia.asp?id=22024&cat=3

Jimmy Magnusson · 5 Feb 2009, 14:03 (Ref:2389064)

Or Alfa Romeo, if they're relaunched in the US (as has been rumored).

Dutton · 6 Feb 2009, 07:45 (Ref:2389561)

Can anyone provide a "Where Are We Now?" update? I have an understanding of the overall global scenario, but I don't have enough of passion for the IRL to understand enough of the fine details to give the aforementioned update.

My indirect comments would be that this recession is not a blip. There are a great many issues of global significance that are going to come together over the next couple of decades. The honeymoon is over.

Motorsport is going to have to fight for its life. Fuel efficiency; alternative technologies; or whatever. There is a longterm reality to consider.

The next thirty years are going to be very interesting. There is going to be an altered state of being. It is unavoidable. Motorsport has to try to work out how it can prosper in this future.

nic.v814 · 6 Feb 2009, 08:03 (Ref:2389573)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Can anyone provide a "Where Are We Now?" update? I have an understanding of the overall global scenario, but I don't have enough of passion for the IRL to understand enough of the fine details to give the aforementioned update.

My indirect comments would be that this recession is not a blip. There are a great many issues of global significance that are going to come together over the next couple of decades. The honeymoon is over.

Motorsport is going to have to fight for its life. Fuel efficiency; alternative technologies; or whatever. There is a longterm reality to consider.

The next thirty years are going to be very interesting. There is going to be an altered state of being. It is unavoidable. Motorsport has to try to work out how it can prosper in this future.

At the moment teams are struggling to find sponsors so there will be less cars on the grid this year and they are delaying the introduction of new equipment until 2012 by the sounds of it.

I personally think the current financial issues will be fixed within the next 3 years to be honest.

Jimmy Magnusson · 6 Feb 2009, 11:37 (Ref:2389704)

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Originally Posted by nic.v814

At the moment teams are struggling to find sponsors so there will be less cars on the grid this year and they are delaying the introduction of new equipment until 2012 by the sounds of it.

I personally think the current financial issues will be fixed within the next 3 years to be honest.

Yep, I don't buy the whole "oh my god the world has changed and will never be the same" talk either. As far as the engine is concerned, I posted this in the other thread, but anyway.

Midweek Motorsport had a snippet from Sam Collins of Racecar Engineering claiming to have seen the Volkswagen IndyCar engine. I don't know if there's any connection to their F3 engine, but VW currently have a Spiess-built 2.0 litre L4 unit there.

Tim Northcutt · 6 Feb 2009, 18:42 (Ref:2389946)

In addition to the manufacturers mentioned in the IRL's teleconference the other day, the Indy Star reported in their weekly "Pit Pass" round-up column on motorsports that there are six independent engine builders also in the mix:

Illmor
Cosworth
Judd
AER
Speedway Engine Development (A Good Builder!)
John Menard Engines

nic.v814 · 6 Feb 2009, 22:39 (Ref:2390044)

Thats good to hear i was wondering if there were any other engine builders involved, i just wish the IRL wasnt waiting 3 years before actually changing things

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