Dyson to Switch to LMP2 with Porsches???

dedalus5150 · 18 Dec 2006, 13:41 (Ref:1793535)

Heard on the Speed Report last night that Robin Miller is reporting that Dyson will field two Porsche Spyder RS Evos in LMP2 next season.

gwyllion · 18 Dec 2006, 13:44 (Ref:1793545)

It is official: http://www.endurance-info.com/article.php?sid=2959

dedalus5150 · 18 Dec 2006, 14:28 (Ref:1793593)

Oui - et Anglais aussi...

LMP2 should shape up to be quite competitive.

**FIRE** · 18 Dec 2006, 14:28 (Ref:1793594)

Penske vs Dyson; Next season it will be clear at which level Dyson operates.

I think Lola isn't happy with this news.

gwyllion · 18 Dec 2006, 14:36 (Ref:1793603)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

I think Lola isn't happy with this news.

They lost Dyson and Acura also seems to perfer the Courage chassis over the Lola one...

Fogelhund · 18 Dec 2006, 15:00 (Ref:1793622)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

Acura also seems to perfer the Courage chassis over the Lola one...

They do? Source?

**FIRE** · 18 Dec 2006, 15:02 (Ref:1793625)

Why did they else buy Courages?

Fogelhund · 18 Dec 2006, 15:06 (Ref:1793628)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Why did they else buy Courages?

To learn about chassis building, so that when they build their own in 08', they have more than just one to learn from. How is it you believe they preferred something, without having even tested it?

Comments from their camp would lead one to believe that it is the Lola that they far prefer so far.

paul-collins · 18 Dec 2006, 15:07 (Ref:1793629)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

Why did they else buy Courages?

They also bought at least one Lola - that's what Fernandez is running.

gwyllion · 18 Dec 2006, 15:10 (Ref:1793635)

They are running 2 Courages and only 1 Lola and they plan to further develop the LC75 chassis (responsability of Highcroft).

Perhaps the decision on the preferred chassis will only be made at the end of 2007.

Fogelhund · 18 Dec 2006, 15:16 (Ref:1793641)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

They are running 2 Courages and only 1 Lola and they plan to further develop the LC75 chassis (responsability of Highcroft).

Perhaps the decision on the preferred chassis will only be made at the end of 2007.

Ummm NO. There will be NO preferred chassis at the end of 07'. They are supposed to build their own. This is about learning. The one word so far that I've heard from their camp describing the Courage's has been... "garbage".

dedalus5150 · 18 Dec 2006, 15:16 (Ref:1793642)

IIRC they chose the Lola for Fernandez to have a stable, proven chassis to be able to focus more on engine development. The Courage is going to be for testing chassis development, as has been mentioned. It doesn't seem to me that they have a preferred chassis - only interim solutions ahead of an upcoming factory chassis.

EDIT: as Fogelhund more eloquently articulated while I was typing

gwyllion · 18 Dec 2006, 15:19 (Ref:1793695)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

To learn about chassis building, so that when they build their own in 08', they have more than just one to learn from. How is it you believe they preferred something, without having even tested it?

I did not know it was Acura interest to build an own chassis. I thought they wanted to build a customer engine and not so much a total package like Porsche did.

My mistake. Sorry for the confusion.

MulsanneMike · 18 Dec 2006, 15:29 (Ref:1793704)

An additional reason I've heard regarding the Courage was that, and I'll quote, not that it will make much more sense, "it came apart easier". The real reasons certainly seem to be more in line with having a stable well proven chassis behind the engine developments (Lola) with a much less proven chassis provided by a manufacturer who certainly wouldn't say no to some additional development.

Hammerdown · 18 Dec 2006, 16:50 (Ref:1793768)

Radical SR9, anyone?

EuropaBambaataa · 18 Dec 2006, 17:15 (Ref:1793789)

Getting back on topic, what happens to the Dyson Lolas?

I'm sure nobody thinks it's funny to always be beaten by the works Audis, but it'd be a shame to lose those cars.

class4v · 18 Dec 2006, 18:10 (Ref:1793836)

Just concerning Acura : Their president told that the choice was made in order to have a known package (Lola) and a development package (Courage) which will be changed in a real Acura...
People who attended the tests say that both chassis are fast and that some more fine tuning is needed to have the ideal integration.

MulsanneMike · 18 Dec 2006, 18:22 (Ref:1793841)

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Originally Posted by EuropaBambaataa

Getting back on topic, what happens to the Dyson Lolas?

I'm sure nobody thinks it's funny to always be beaten by the works Audis, but it'd be a shame to lose those cars.

I understand they are up for sale.

dj choc ice · 18 Dec 2006, 18:33 (Ref:1793849)

wow!

i sure as hell didnt see this one coming very surprising news, so who is left in LMP1 now then?

LMP1

audi sports north america 2x audi R10
autocon motorsport 1x MG lola EX257
possibly courage cosworth 2x

and for sebring, petit and laguna

1x zytek 06S
1x creation CA06H

whilst LMP2 looks very good for next year

LMP2

penske porsche RS spyder 2x
dyson porsche RS spyder 2x
highcroft courage LC75 mugen 1x
fernandez racing lola B05/40 mugen 1x
andretti green racing courage LC75 1x
intersport racing lola B05/40 AER 1x although after the team owner's theft charge, the operation for intersport looks to maybe be off for next year.

well anyways does this maybe mean at long last we might see dyson or penske come to lemans?

have either of them announced any kind of plan to come to lemans penske have the invite but will they accept?

JAG · 18 Dec 2006, 18:44 (Ref:1793860)

How ironic if Dyson are whupped by the Fernandez Lola P2!

dj choc ice · 18 Dec 2006, 18:55 (Ref:1793876)

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Originally Posted by JAG

How ironic if Dyson are whupped by the Fernandez Lola P2!

now that would be very ironic, wonder what the message from lola to dyson would be

AU N EGL · 18 Dec 2006, 18:56 (Ref:1793878)

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Originally Posted by dj choc ice

well anyways does this maybe mean at long last we might see dyson or penske come to lemans?

have either of them announced any kind of plan to come to lemans penske have the invite but will they accept?

NO. Roger Penske stated that under no circumstances will his team compeate in the LM24 unless Porsche pays the whole bill. ( $2.5 million would be my guess for the one race )

Rob Dyson said in the past that they would love to compete in the LM24 but it was not in His companies ( sponsors) best interests and bank balance.

If Porsche put up $5 million I would imagne both teams will be there.

MulsanneMike · 18 Dec 2006, 18:58 (Ref:1793881)

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Originally Posted by dj choc ice

now that would be very ironic, wonder what the message from lola to dyson would be

"Here's your ass..."

Fogelhund · 18 Dec 2006, 19:00 (Ref:1793884)

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Originally Posted by dj choc ice

wow!

LMP1

possibly courage cosworth 2x

I think this is dead now.

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1x zytek 06S
1x creation CA06H

It appears as though one of these cars will be full season for ALMS... nothing definitive yet. Autocon is supposed to have a second car.

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LMP2

intersport racing lola B05/40 AER 1x although after the team owner's theft charge, the operation for intersport looks to maybe be off for next year.

Neither team ownership, nor funding come from Jon.

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well anyways does this maybe mean at long last we might see dyson or penske come to lemans?

Dyson, maybe 2008. No other Spyder before then.

chewymonster · 18 Dec 2006, 20:35 (Ref:1793999)

Is Porsche afraid that the RS Spyder won't last 24 hours?

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