Lotus 35 - Page 3

Chris Townsend · 25 Jul 2003, 20:42 (Ref:671411)

To confuse matters more, Peter Sellers Racing seem to have had two 35s at the start of 1966, both raced by Harts!

At Snetterton, 9 April 66 Barry Hart finishes 7th in a Sellers car with Brian Hart coming home in 3rd [behind Pike and Gethin] in another Sellers entry. Same situation prevails at Barcelona, which was late April? Giving Bill Robson less than a month to buy his car and get it out and running at Croft at the end of May. And which car? Maybe Brian Hart's with the funny nose?

Chris

DaveM · 25 Jul 2003, 23:22 (Ref:671510)

I think this is Mo Nunn battling on without goggles, if so he still had a 41 at the end of 68 (September).

DaveM · 25 Jul 2003, 23:25 (Ref:671514)

Also found a couple of pics from the same meeting of John Miles in a GLTL 41X(?). Here's one of them, in the other one his nose has been shredded.

Chris Townsend · 25 Jul 2003, 23:27 (Ref:671515)

Dave

That would figure. Mike Watkins [not Sid as I thought] debuts an 'ex Nunn' 41 at Mallory Park, 9 March 1969

Chris

DaveM · 25 Jul 2003, 23:33 (Ref:671521)

I was also at the Mallory International in June 68, and Miles was in a 41X in plain livery (red?) which looks the same as at Silverstone in April.

At Mallory, Nunn was driving an Ensign with Astrali sponsorship.

Bryan Miller · 26 Jul 2003, 00:04 (Ref:671548)

Kevin.
Yes ,I am the authorised Hewland distributor for OZ. and N.Z.
The LC165 mk6 8/65.
I have these sort of numbers on the Lotus 27 sales cards.

Best informed guess is that LC is Lotus Components, 165 is an internal Lotus number and 8/65 del. date
The actual gearbox number is H6-296 , meaning a MK 6 Hewland serial number 296

I don't have a clue what the 725 is for.
Generally on the VW cased boxes and others as well the Hewland plate on the back will have as in your case H6-296, and on the bearing carrier , that is the section you remove to pull out with the layshaft still losely attached is also stamped H6-296 .
Some cars I have seen have different numbers , due to accidents , when the car has been '' backed in '' and a replacement end cover with a diff. plate has been found of a discarded 'box and slipped on .
Same as sliding a diff. chassis under your orig. ch.pl.

Mk.6 is F3 gearbox , in 4 speed configuration , and all that was required for F3, given minimal torque of these engines.
But having said that , no trouble to convert to 5 speed configuration later on
With the 27 sales cards , the cars that are listed have MK6 and I think Mk.5 if you were running a 1500cc pushrod or t/c.
Given the 1000cc F2 was in use , and that allowed 5 speed and a L.S.D. the F2 cars probably had MK5s.
However we need some sales cards for the 35s to find out for sure .
Yes , Hewland have buried somewhere all the build records, the problem is somebody finding time to search them out.I had very recent experience of this , in as much as a gearbox I purchased 2 weeks ago , when they could tell me date of del. and gearsets fitted , but have'nt been able to advise at this point in time the customer.
On the face of it , it looks like your car is ex. F3 , but you don't know if it started as an F2 , and a descision was made to go F3 , and the MK5 was swapped for a MK 6 , dead simple to achieve.
Bryan.
P.S. to all . Hewland records could help solve some mysteries , I will contact Steve Clews and see what I can sort out with them.

David McKinney · 26 Jul 2003, 06:27 (Ref:671678)

Quote:

Originally posted by KDW
I am also interested if any more cars survive now. We still seem to only know my car + Paul Matty+ John Dimmer. Thats just 3. There must be more than that.

Some ‘recent’ sightings
1987 - Straight Six (UK) advertising 35-F-2 for sale
1996 - ‘21’ for sale USA
1998 - 32-F-9 for sale UK, 35-F-14 offered at auction UK
1999 - Michel Thoulesen, France
2000 - Robs Lamplough, UK

Bryan Miller · 26 Jul 2003, 07:13 (Ref:671691)

Kevin.
Thinking about your request to Hewland , all they would ever be able to advise you , is the customer , which in your case will surely be Lotus or Lotus Components.

Bryan.

Roger H · 26 Jul 2003, 07:59 (Ref:671701)

Bryan,
Just a note about the Hewland boxes in 1 Litre Formula Two. Hewland produced a Mk7 box, based on the Mk6 with a longer bearing carrier and six speeds. This box was standard wear in F2 at the time.
Roger

Bryan Miller · 26 Jul 2003, 08:16 (Ref:671707)

Roger , thank you , how stupid of me .
We just didn't ever see the Mk7 's over here,although there are a couple now.
A few months ago I was discussing these gearboxes with Peter Smith at PDS. racing and he told me that Matra did their own 6 speed version , slightly different to Hewlands version.

When I was typing little noises were happening in the brain dept. but I ignored them , and misinformation is the result.
Apologies again .
Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 26 Jul 2003, 23:00 (Ref:672200)

To all concerned parties.
Early in this thread I advised re. Lotus sales and chassis cards for the Type 27's.
Is this info. elsewhere.??
If not shall I post a new thread,or do we have enough on our plates at this point in time.
The lists may assist Kevin Whittle in solving all the 32/35/44's

over to you .
Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 27 Jul 2003, 04:55 (Ref:672307)

Kevin.
More on your gearbox,
Is the number definately 725????
I don't have a definitive knowledge of VW crown wheel and pinion options, but on the 27 sales cards they list out gearbox as say lOTUS 5 SPEED VW LC71 mk4 H 8/35.
The last number i.e. the 8/35 refers to the crown wheel and pinion fitted .
perhaps there was a 7/25 , it is just not heard of over here.
8/35 = 4.375
7/25 = 3.57

Certainly one other option that was available then and now is an 8/33=4.125
All the top FJ's use a more modern Hewland ratio which is 7/31 =4.428.
Bryan.

KDW · 27 Jul 2003, 10:05 (Ref:672394)

Bryan,
V intersting, I'll check my again. The car also came with a spare cwp. I will check that also.
Remember one of the Swiss 35's a Continental hill climb champ car.

One other point, Per Clive Chapman the chassis plate also ties up with a monocoque number. My car is stamped down at the junction of seat back and floor with 35/22.
CC said that his records indicated 35/22 was 35-F20.
Kevin
PS re the thread, keep going, this is really useful stuff !

KDW · 27 Jul 2003, 10:06 (Ref:672395)

Sorry I should have said my chassis plate is 35-F20
Kevin

KDW · 28 Jul 2003, 09:17 (Ref:673083)

Bryan
My Mk 6 is stamped 7 25
My spare CWP is only the CW which is 35 tooth.

D Ortenburgers book on Costin states that P Sellers, prompted by driver Brian Hart got F Costin in to look at the teams Lotus 35F3 car.
BH said that it lacked aerodynamics and rad cooling. FC did a new nose cone. That is the nose on the car I have a Ferret picture of.
When the car was sold on to Bill Robson, see Page 2 of this thread, the car was with a home made nose.
Did PSR decide to remove the nose as they had paid the FC fee.
Or did FC remove the nose to fit on the first Protos, as the Protos was nearing completion and apeared with a v similar nose?
Kevin

KDW · 29 Jul 2003, 13:23 (Ref:674299)

Is anyone going to the HSCC meeting at Castle Combe this weekend?

David,
did the last two Lotus 35 owners, in your posting, M Thouleson and R Lamplough keep their cars or sell them on? Where were they advertised for sale?
Kevin

David McKinney · 29 Jul 2003, 18:56 (Ref:674565)

Sorry Kevin, can't be much help
I suspect I saw Thoulesen's in a French race that year - certainly the Lamplough car was at the Silverstone Festival, driven by someone else.

Bryan Miller · 30 Jul 2003, 01:49 (Ref:674853)

Kevin.
Re. your post about the 41X in Italy.
Autosport page 4 ,dec.-11-1969.
Photo and piece re. this car with Agostini in car , called out as ex. John Miles 41X F3 car , now being raced by an Italian privateer.

The film was called '' Formula Uno ''.
Bryan.

KDW · 30 Jul 2003, 07:14 (Ref:674973)

Bryan,
I am just negotiating to buy more old Autosport.
Very good dectective work !

Thanks
Kevin

allenbrown · 30 Jul 2003, 07:38 (Ref:674989)

As Robs is now on the Forum, can we lure him onto this thread too?

KDW · 30 Jul 2003, 11:04 (Ref:675136)

That would be excellent.
He seems to have a thing about the Lotus monocoques. In Lotus on the Hills book he is pictured in a Lotus 27. and he has a 33.
Who better to know about these cars !

Re the film Formula Uno, can it be got on video Bryan ??
Kevin

KDW · 30 Jul 2003, 11:14 (Ref:675142)

How do I attach a photo ???
Then I can send a pic of 41X with Agostini
Kevin

Bryan Miller · 30 Jul 2003, 11:15 (Ref:675143)

Kevin.
That report re. the film was part of the article in the Autosport report in 1969.
I had never heard of it untill I read the article.

Bryan.

KDW · 30 Jul 2003, 11:50 (Ref:675188)

Bryan,
The 41X was advertised in 15-11-68 Autosport by Lotus and bought by Francesco Ghezzi of Milan, he loaned the car to the film co.
In 1970 F Ghezzi was killed in a road accident and the 41X sold to ? in Lake Como area. Here the engine & wheels were changed. From 75 to 89 it was a show car in Tuscany.
The current owner Massimo Spaggiari bought it in 1990 and plans to restore it, possibly in UK by PDR
Advisor to the film was Baghetti.
Kevin

Bryan Miller · 30 Jul 2003, 23:27 (Ref:675861)

Another trail on a Lotus 35.
Autosport 21-5-70 at Mondello reports the ex. Luke Duffy Lotus 35 changing hands to Des McCoy. Page no. 31
Bryan.

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