Need some help with Escort Mk1 1974 (Group 2 !!)

[Gerry Taylor]

Thanks, really great photographs.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by jsvahn

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listin...2_Replica.html

"Fully billet machined uprights with rotating steel hubs with centre lock nuts."

If Broadspeed used billet uprights in 1974/75, Zak might have done the same?

I think from what we have learned more likely same as used on Cologne Capri (and as seen in some pics earlier in thread). Some for sale here on racecarsdirect

[Pete Rea]

Hello! Good evening Gents,

Newbie here & would just like to say Hi to all the Board ,

Very Intresting Thread about this Cosworth iron Block Bdg.


F,A,O MIKE BELL You have Pm

[Mike Bell]

Welcome Pete, and thanks for the PM.

[Nordic]

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...t-replica.aspx

A nice little project.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by Nordic

A nice little project.

Certainly is. Paul has contributed to this thread as '4dnut'

[DanWray]

Originally Posted by Nordic

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2011...ed-escort.aspx

Some nice pictures of a car I have not heard much about before. A Mk1 Broadspeed Escort.

Originally Posted by morninggents

Hmmmm. Is this a genuine Broadspeed car or just a Broadspeed shell? What is the history of the car and previous ownwers/drivers? Is there an Irish connection?

Originally Posted by morninggents

Just read the article in the March 2011 back issue I purchased. There is a total lack of any period history about the car which raises question marks. I am sure that anyone who had the knowledge to have recognised this as a works Broadspeed car would have been able to research the history of the car and those who drove it.

I am not sure that this is an original 'built by Broadspeed' car.

The car in question looks remarkably similar to this car, built in the 70's from a spare un-used Broadspeed shell i believe.

[Mike Bell]

Nice bit of detective work there! The 3rd pic of rear looks the same- (as near as........)

Who's car was it when those pics were taken?

[morninggents]

Thanks for posting the pictures Dan.

It was built by my brother Chris and me from an unused Broadspeed shell acquired when Broadspeed sold off a lot of stuff in 1974/75.

We raced it first with a 1800cc BDA (first race at the 1975 British GP Supersaloon race) then with a 1970cc FVC until the end of 1977. The car was then laid up until the 80s when it was bought, less engine, by Stuart Oliver in Carlisle. He painted it in Castrol colours but sold it a couple of years later to a guy in Ireland.

Pic 4 is as the car was first built at the British GP meeting in July, 1975. Pic 1 is Brands in 1977 and pic 2 is Oulton Park in either 1975 or 1976. Not sure where pic 3 was taken but it shows Chris with the car in 1977 and it looks as if it was wet.

[DanWray]

The caption on the back of the photos say Oulton was '76 and the one taken in the wet with Chris in says Silverstone '77 - but it doesn't look particularly Silverstone-like to me. Brands or Oulton again maybe?

[Prospark]

Originally Posted by 4dnut

I will make some more, I have been using this in my car with no problems and have sold a few,I will probably make 6x at a time, I know this isn't a for sale forum so have not tried use as such.When I supply it is the alloy centre and chromoly tube to suit. brackets to suit car can then be fitted as per normal.

Paul

Hi, I like to buy this..

Michael

[BritishV8]

Originally Posted by Mike Bell

Pictures of nice Escorts never off topic!

Well then, I'm happy to share some photos of a nice Escort!

Very sadly, we never got our share of Escorts in North America. The best one I've seen here so far mainly races around Ontario, but I'm told its career started in New Zealand where Mike Marshall drove it in the 1973 Heatway Rally for the Woolmark Ford team: Walter Davies' 1971 Escort RS1600 Vintage Race Car



(The article includes 55 photos, mostly of construction details.)

I'm new to Escorts. Please send me a PM if you spot any errors or dubious information in my write-up. I'll be happy to make corrections.

[Mike Bell]

Originally Posted by BritishV8

Well then, I'm happy to share some photos of a nice Escort!

I'm new to Escorts. Please send me a PM if you spot any errors or dubious information in my write-up. I'll be happy to make corrections.

Nice pics thanks! The registration number refers to a 'works' Escort but as my book on the subject is at work can't give any more info on history.

There are one or two inaccuracies in your Escort model history but I'll pm you on that.

BTW love the 'remove before flight' pull tag attached to the fire extinguisher pin. I want one!!!!

[4dnut]

I am familiar with Mike Marshall Escorts in NZ, in 1973 he was going to use Ford owned XPU217L, but since there was no time to convert to RHD, Ford leased Mikes own RHD RS1600 escort from him for him to drive,they fitted the runnig gear out of XPU for this event.He did not drive XPU218L. The car Mike drove in the 1973 Heatway is owned by Peter Bryant in Whangarei NZ. XPU217L was restored by a freind of mine and solld to Australia. This car is not an RS1600 as it has a Ford NZ chassis tag(RS1600 only assenbled in UK)and doesn't even have remotely the right chassis numbers.

[Pete Rea]

Hello Gents, Newbie here to this Very Informative site

I have Been reading this Thread with Great intrest Regarding the Cosworth Bdg Iron block , I was Planning to use this Rare Cosworth Type Bdg in my escort for Historics ???? .

If any bodie could / would shead alittle light on this / comfirm eligbility for Historic Rallying.

Regards Pete.

[Mike Bell]

Hi Pete, if you are talking about UK historic rallying then the whole thing is under control of MSA and the Historic Rally Car Register. The latter have a technical website that may help. Here's the link- HRCT

[Pete Rea]

Hi! Mike Merry xmas & thanks for the link , Very useful indeed .

Just need to the block a check over / clean and get it built up.

Looking for a 8mm Lucas Metering unit if you no any one also have a Lucas 6mm unit which will be for sale / part ex with 8mm unit.

Pete.

[Mike Bell]

No problem Pete. The HRCR are very upfront (and strict) about what can and can't be used on different cars. Comes down to ''if it wasn't used in period, you can't use it now.' Sometimes think historic racing could follow that ethos a bit more!

Good luck with the Lucas inj- I know most stuff is available new now but old or new it aint cheap!

Happy Christmas!

[Avo]

Hi, I'm seeking evidence that coilover suspension on the rear axle was used on the Escort mk1 RS1600 in period g2 (1970 - 1971).
Someone that can help me?
Avo

[Al Weyman]

Mike Bell will know he has one, PM him.

[morninggents]

Originally Posted by Avo

Hi, I'm seeking evidence that coilover suspension on the rear axle was used on the Escort mk1 RS1600 in period g2 (1970 - 1971).
Someone that can help me?
Avo

I have a friend who worked for Broadspeed in period. I'll ask him.

[Al Weyman]

I am sure I read somewhere they didnt use coil overs but slipper springs. Or was it they used a spring like a a piece of flat tin with coil over 'assisters'?

[Clive Brown]

Originally Posted by Avo

Hi, I'm seeking evidence that coilover suspension on the rear axle was used on the Escort mk1 RS1600 in period g2 (1970 - 1971).
Someone that can help me?
Avo

I'm not sure about the Alan Mann cars, but Ralph Broad's cars had near-vertical coil-over units, with four radius rods to locate the axle fore-and-aft, and a Watts linkage to locate the axle laterally.

Gp.2 regulations allowed the use of additional mounting points, suspension members, and supplementary springing, but did require the retention of all original mounting points and the original form of springing, so Ralph's cars used a nylon leaf spring which had no practical springing effect in order to comply with the regulations.

I hope this helps!

[Al Weyman]

Thats the one!

[Mike Bell]

Hi Avo (welcome to the forum!) are you looking for evidence to support an HTP or some national paperwork? As said already, we know that Broadspeed used 105E setup with coil springs for Gp5 then coilovers with dummy leaf springs for Gp2, but presume you want pictures or some period evidence to prove this?

I will look through couple of books on the subject, meanwhile if anyone else can lay there hand on pics etc please do so!