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Old 29 Apr 2013, 18:31 (Ref:3240687)   #46
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I think sportscars needs to concentrate on building an ever bigger and bigger loyal and high quality fanbase rather than channel surfing casual viewers as the nature of endurance racing does not suit those casual viewer as it requires longer attention span to understand it. We all know that once your hooked then you cant let go!
Trouble is there aren't that many people who are as superior as ourselves. It takes a special person to concentrate so long on being so much better than other fans.
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Old 29 Apr 2013, 18:44 (Ref:3240691)   #47
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As long as we have limited grid spots, more manufactures will always mean less privateers .
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Another one thing, is to limit the works car in Le Mans at just 2 each manufacturer team.
Quality vs. quantity: I think it's really Rebellion-like teams with strong sponsors what is most needed in P1, not the rich gentlemans (and P2 is for them anyway). So I don't see 3x manufacturer entries per team restricting the amount of privateers, especially not in P1, because vast amounts of privateers wouldn't be there anyway.

And if P1 numbers somehow manage to escalate after 2014, I will never understand restricting manufacturer entries to two as long as there is this certain literally amateur class.

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Old 29 Apr 2013, 19:59 (Ref:3240734)   #48
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I think the manufacture limit of 3 or 4 is really self regulating, the expense and risks mean that most manufacturers will not plough resources into something that already has to many other serious competitors there are many other forms of motor sport and therefore many different paths
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Old 29 Apr 2013, 20:15 (Ref:3240741)   #49
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Trouble is there aren't that many people who are as superior as ourselves. It takes a special person to concentrate so long on being so much better than other fans.
What a stupid and pointless statement
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Or, as I thought, a joke. Sorry should have used a winky. If you have a problem PM me.
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Or, as I thought, a joke. Sorry should have used a winky. If you have a problem PM me.
No worries - that's fine it read like a dig to me.
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It was more poking fun at all of us and our insular sportscar life. No malice intended whatsoever, not least because you're right it shouldn't pander to quick thrills. As no sport should, otherwise you can't build real knowledge and appreciation. I'm also a test match person not twenty-twenty for the same reason. Although there is nothing wrong with twenty-twenty it's just not for me. I do watch it, but I manage to not slag it off while doing so. If I did have a mild point to my silly comment it was that.

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Sportscar racing could and should be much more popular than it is. Like every section of the sport apart from F1, it will only have a niche following, bar a few mouth-watering battles at Le Mans. For example, very few follow county cricket, yet when the Ashes gets exciting and England look likely to win, all of a sudden the whole nation gets interested.

Test match cricket is actually the best comparison with endurance racing. Neither sport can ever have a year-round mainstream following - but neither has to be as niche as they pretend.

The WEC is clearly getting something wrong. The F1 media were bemoaning the wasted talent of Kobayashi missing out on a seat in F1 this year, and then as soon as he signed for Ferrari, he basically became dead to them! It was as if no one was interested what happened to him once he missed out on F1....

Cringey youtube videos and annoying tweets don't help the cause either. Nor does woeful commentary on Eurosport. These sorts of things make the sport seriously uncool. Which is quite some achievement considering what the product is....
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Old 30 Apr 2013, 14:10 (Ref:3240998)   #54
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Sportscar racing could and should be much more popular than it is. Like every section of the sport apart from F1, it will only have a niche following, bar a few mouth-watering battles at Le Mans. For example, very few follow county cricket, yet when the Ashes gets exciting and England look likely to win, all of a sudden the whole nation gets interested.

Test match cricket is actually the best comparison with endurance racing. Neither sport can ever have a year-round mainstream following - but neither has to be as niche as they pretend.

The WEC is clearly getting something wrong. The F1 media were bemoaning the wasted talent of Kobayashi missing out on a seat in F1 this year, and then as soon as he signed for Ferrari, he basically became dead to them! It was as if no one was interested what happened to him once he missed out on F1....

Cringey youtube videos and annoying tweets don't help the cause either. Nor does woeful commentary on Eurosport. These sorts of things make the sport seriously uncool. Which is quite some achievement considering what the product is....
Can't pretend that I fully get the cricket reference but aside from that, very well put!
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Old 30 Apr 2013, 16:05 (Ref:3241023)   #55
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Unfortunately the only times I recall Le Mans being on the mainstream TV news is when there is a big accident - eg McNish and Mercedes Airlines
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Old 30 Apr 2013, 16:36 (Ref:3241032)   #56
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When i was growing up the result from Le mans was always on the BBC news but I have not actually been in the UK on the sunday to see the news in the last 30 years as I am either on my way home or still in Le mans
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Unfortunately the only times I recall Le Mans being on the mainstream TV news is when there is a big accident - eg McNish and Mercedes Airlines
In Spain when Gené won the 24hr it was ignored by the sports media. The average Joe links Gené to Ferrari instead of Peugeot, because works in TV as a F1 pundit.
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Here in the UK McNish is known mainly as a former Toyota F1 driver, and similarly, Davidson is former F1 driver - not current LMP1 drivers......

I like the above story about Kobayashi - Raikkonen was similar when he went to WRC. Soon as he was announced as coming back - he was trending all over Twitter, and the F1 hacks were in raptures.
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I agree with Gingers4Justice that sports car racing especially in ACO form visually doesn't look cool now thanks to the way the sport is presented, which should be the complete opposite considering how aesthetically pleasing (okay, not that much anymore) the cars look compared to many other forms of motorsport.

The broadcast first of all with the exception of RLM is all over the place. One minute they're talking about the Toyota vs Audi battle for the lead, the next Stuart Hall's lunchtime or the battle for 11th in P2. The commentators (even at RLM) are completely out of synch with the world feed so they'll be screaming about some epic overtaking manoeuver for 5th in P1 like last year going into the Senna S at Brazil while meanwhile the geniuses at the world feed are showing the faces of Audi and Toyota mechanics or the 1st place P1 car boringly going along for an essential parade lap to victory. Liz Halliday making pig noises, the brilliance of Carlton Kirby, and of course the Emmy nominated () Robbie Knock hosting the 24 Hours of Le Mans preview show with "Jwonny Hwerrrbert" make you wish they'd just put RLM on the main Eurosport feed.

Let's be honest, 6 hour races aren't helping. It's hard to get viewers for races like Silverstone when essentially for 2 full hours (hours 3-5) nothing of any interest to the common viewer is happening at all. That's why I liked the old 480km (Id increase it to 500) distance used during the peak of popularity of the FIA WSCC, it was still endurance racing, but easy enough to look visually exciting and keep spectators at the circuit instead of headed to the gates or food stalls like we saw at Brazil last year. 6 Hours or 1000km should be for special races like Spa and Fuji.

Overall, there is much the sport can do to improve it's television coverage and visual presentation to make it 'cool' or even exciting to a non-diehard fan.
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