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Old 22 Nov 2016, 16:42 (Ref:3690278)   #1501
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PR Speak... half is true, half isn't... and yet people are arguing over PR Speak as if it is gospel truth... and it isn't.
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Old 23 Nov 2016, 09:18 (Ref:3690461)   #1502
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PR Speak... half is true, half isn't... and yet people are arguing over PR Speak as if it is gospel truth... and it isn't.
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Give me a while to figure out if all those words he said actually add up to meaning something .... then we will Know ... as True Believers do ....


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Old 24 Nov 2016, 10:03 (Ref:3690700)   #1503
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The car is very nice, the trunk is fantastic. The only ugly thing is the shark fin, but that's not Mazda's fault, it's the ACO's fault

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the shark-fin is there to prevent the car taking off and landing in a spectator area causing a potential massacre, like at LeMans in the 1950's......this has been proven beyond doubt to work via many high speed accidents at leMans, particularly from 2 Audi shunts that come to mind, whereby the cars took off but stayed on the floor and simply bounced off the barriers and just decimated the cars and the drivers walked away....the holes in the wheel arch tops/sides are also a big part of the package......the shark-fin is also a tidy sponsor board!.......its not that bad, and nowhere near as ugly as the now retired DP's.......I think the new DPi formula and general rule book will be a huge success, IMSA will boom and grow hugely off the back of it
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I think the new DPi formula and general rule book will be a huge success, IMSA will boom and grow hugely off the back of it
Whether or not the DPi formula takes off and to a large degree, whether IMSA regains its former glory, depends a lot on how IMSA handles BoP.

I think DOi is a very sensible formula; it should work economically, it should provide variety, it should have longevity .... depending on what IMSA does with it.

If IMSA makes stupid BoP decisions, biased DPi decisions, or changes BoP form race to race, the series will probably, and should probably, bite the dust.

These are prototypes. They should be built to formula and allowed to run. If IMSA gets too deep into trying control power curves and revs and torque curves ... if IMSA keeps fiddling with aero BoP from race to race ... then DPi will end up where GT is now---people losing interest because they realize they are not seeing cars compete, but rather seeing whichever cars won the BoP lottery for that race, succeed as per the determination of the series management.

ALMS, FIA, and TUSCC GT racing used to be the best on the planet ... now it is a distorted shadow of its former self, where BoP is the only factor determining success or failure. It looks okay, but it is rotten inside.

If WSC does the same thing with DPi, I might have to stick to club racing and historics, where cars, drivers, and teams are actually allowed to do their best.
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Old 24 Nov 2016, 21:20 (Ref:3690810)   #1505
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Yeah I think we all know that dpi will be a bop debate just like dp was. I don't know if imsa will move away from that eventually or not. I hope one day, soon, that they stop the micro managing and let the cars and teams do what they are paid for and develop and race to their best.
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Whether or not the DPi formula takes off and to a large degree, whether IMSA regains its former glory, depends a lot on how IMSA handles BoP.
And getting rid of the bodywork requirement.

One of the things that made old IMSA do as well as it did is the fact that interested teams could buy a car and throw an engine in the back - no concerns about having to have custom bodywork involved.

If what we really want is a modern version of old IMSA, that's the single biggest detail that's missing.
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And getting rid of the bodywork requirement.

One of the things that made old IMSA do as well as it did is the fact that interested teams could buy a car and throw an engine in the back - no concerns about having to have custom bodywork involved.

If what we really want is a modern version of old IMSA, that's the single biggest detail that's missing.
Could be done easily enough. Allow them to use the stock P2 chassis without the Gibson engine. That'd be a great set of rules. Lots of combos.
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And getting rid of the bodywork requirement.

One of the things that made old IMSA do as well as it did is the fact that interested teams could buy a car and throw an engine in the back - no concerns about having to have custom bodywork involved.

If what we really want is a modern version of old IMSA, that's the single biggest detail that's missing.
I can only think of a few examples of teams doing this. Really the only variation outside of the RS Spyder, HPD P1/P2, and Audi R8/R10 was that teams either ran a Judd or AER in the various Lola/Zytek options. This is not really very different from just having the Gibson option in one of the spec P2 cars.

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Could be done easily enough. Allow them to use the stock P2 chassis without the Gibson engine. That'd be a great set of rules. Lots of combos.
It's not expensive, nor hard to build custom bodywork. Certainly there is a cost involved, but, when you look at the cost of a custom install and everything else...building bodywork isn't that big of a deal when you can sell it as a customer operation.
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I agree. Against all the nay saying the DPi component of the IMSA P class as well as the P-2 component got from some quarters, they are seeming to be very well received by the teams. As the first example of DPi to meet the public eye the RT24-P is a very good looking piece of kit, IMO. Using that as the example of what IMSA's vision of DPi is going to be ... Bravo!





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I can only think of a few examples of teams doing this. Really the only variation outside of the RS Spyder, HPD P1/P2, and Audi R8/R10 was that teams either ran a Judd or AER in the various Lola/Zytek options. This is not really very different from just having the Gibson option in one of the spec P2 cars.
Was not referring to the ALMS.
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It's not expensive, nor hard to build custom bodywork. Certainly there is a cost involved, but, when you look at the cost of a custom install and everything else...building bodywork isn't that big of a deal when you can sell it as a customer operation.
Given that the bodywork has to be visibly different, and you need to make sure not screw it up so badly that BoP can't help you, the cost is a lot higher than you'd think. To most teams with no interest in a customer program, it's far too much of an expense.
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Could be done easily enough. Allow them to use the stock P2 chassis without the Gibson engine. That'd be a great set of rules. Lots of combos.
Indeed. And that's exactly what most people -inside and outside- want.
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This means that effectively the IMSA has created a new breed of cheaper LMP1 privateer cars with the DPi.
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This means that effectively the IMSA has created a new breed of cheaper LMP1 privateer cars with the DPi.
Given the expected performance gap I don't think that's a good comparison.
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