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Old 17 Jun 2009, 12:25 (Ref:2485173)   #31
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Old 17 Jun 2009, 13:43 (Ref:2485218)   #32
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I still have my doubts that McLaren (and others) would want to join a series that would so obviously be The Ferrari GP Championship.
You mean exactly what we had from 1999 to 2004? (That probably would have continued until 2006 without the tire war) Which is the exact period in which many of these manufacturers entered the sport to bring the fight to Ferrari. The manufacturers WANT to be fighting each other (and specifically Ferrari) with the best drivers and the fastest cars. F1 has been drifting away from that second goal and this is, in my opinion, why FOTA don't want anything to do with the currently proposed regulations.

Then there is the money issue, if revenue isn't shared at a greater proportion, I dont see any reason for any of the manufacturers to stay in the sport including the Williams' and McLarens of the world.
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Old 17 Jun 2009, 15:13 (Ref:2485259)   #33
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Then there is the money issue, if revenue isn't shared at a greater proportion, I dont see any reason for any of the manufacturers to stay in the sport including the Williams' and McLarens of the world.
Agreed, this is the core issue. And it wont go away because a compromise is made for the 2010 season. This issue will have probably to be sorted out within the next couple of years or the sport will die. And its very clear that the solution wont involve Bernie. Worst case scenario is that the issue drags on until Bernie passes away - he's no spring chicken and is unlikely to be around in 10 years time.
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Old 17 Jun 2009, 18:23 (Ref:2485381)   #34
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For me it won't (overly). I can't be arsed with the politics, this avoiding thus avoiding these discussions too much at the moment. I'll probably be back at the weekend when there's some motor racing to discuss.
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Old 17 Jun 2009, 19:21 (Ref:2485435)   #35
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What's this "motor racing" then?
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Old 18 Jun 2009, 00:15 (Ref:2485610)   #36
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What's this "motor racing" then?

It's complete rubbish it happens every two or three weeks, and it's very noisy..
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Old 18 Jun 2009, 00:58 (Ref:2485618)   #37
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Agreed, this is the core issue. And it wont go away because a compromise is made for the 2010 season. This issue will have probably to be sorted out within the next couple of years or the sport will die. And its very clear that the solution wont involve Bernie. Worst case scenario is that the issue drags on until Bernie passes away - he's no spring chicken and is unlikely to be around in 10 years time.
And in 10 years' time, who controls the sport? Bernie's wife? Bernie's kids? We have less idea on succession in either Formula One or the FIA than in North Korea.
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And in 10 years' time, who controls the sport?
Bernie will have someone in mind well before then,probably even now! But he'll be around for quite some time yet I think,even if he can't make it to the circuits any more.

Excellent sig.Very appropriate with regards to the budget cap.
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 01:18 (Ref:2486292)   #39
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Bernie will have someone in mind well before then,probably even now!
Ah, so it really is like North Korea.

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Excellent sig.Very appropriate with regards to the budget cap.
Not really. Dropping down from a Ferrari to a Maserati (or since you're British, an Aston Martin to a Jaguar) does not quantify to me as "having nothing". Having watched him race previously and how he did it, I think Dave Marcis would agree. If Dave Marcis had an F1 team, he'd drive the team cars and the tractor-trailer towing them from the team's base in England to a place like the Hungaroring himself. When an F1 driver does that for one of these outfits because of the budget cap, get back with me.
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 01:32 (Ref:2486298)   #40
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There's one tiny flaw - the NFL isn't a motor racing series

Team-run motor racing series ALWAYS fail

You sound like someone's wife..."You ALWAYS do that...."

That's a little simple, isn't it? Some have run for 30 years before they "failed," and failed for reasons unrelated to whether they were "team run" or not. No shortage of motor racing series that were NOT team run have failed.

The issue is here is the rentention of the revenue to the teams and tracks. A friend of mine who has spent four decades in professional motorsport around the globe recently wrote, "All you need for a race is a track and teams."

You don't need some damn "supremo" raking off the cash and shutting down the traditional venues.
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 01:45 (Ref:2486302)   #41
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 01:49 (Ref:2486304)   #42
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It looks like Bernie is stood all alone in a field holding his ball while the big boys are walking away with their bat.
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 05:58 (Ref:2486356)   #43
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let Bernie and Max twist in the wind...
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Old 19 Jun 2009, 07:10 (Ref:2486387)   #44
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Jab, I agree on the medals thing at least, but most of the otherstuff, I do not, especially on the circuits (but there's a thread on track safety in "My Tracks" for that).

The attention will go with the big teams and known drivers. It's that simple. And manufacturers will spend what they can while they can, and pull out if they're dictated to. They only take real guff on their own terms, and this is nothing new.

BTW, the competitiveness of the 1982 season mentioned above was helped along by a career-ending accident (Pironi) and a fatal crash (Villeneuve).
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So F1 would be a low budget series with all teams running the same engine: sounds like A1 GP to me.
No, A1GP has a prestigious brand to supply the engines.
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