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Old 28 Dec 2018, 05:30 (Ref:3872754)   #1
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GRAND PRIX DE MONACO HISTORIQUE

No, not a typo on the year- it really is 2020. That's how far ahead the bi-annual event is planned by the Automobile Club de Monaco. No excuse not to get the time off work booked, at least....

For the 12th running, there will be 7 Races – Restricted to cars that took part in international races and that are in conformity with the regulation for the relevant period.

RACE A LOUIS CHIRON - Pre-war Grand Prix cars and Voiturettes

Class 1- Grand Prix cars
Class 2- Pre-war Voiturettes

RACE B JUAN-MANUEL FANGIO
- Grand Prix cars with front engine built from 1946 to 1960

Class 1- Cars built between January 1st 1946 and December 31st 1953 fitted with a supercharged engine of maximum capacity 1500cc or with non-supercharged engine of maximum capacity 4500cc.
Class 2- Formula 2 cars built before December 31st 1953, with non-supercharged engine and a maximum engine capacity of 2000cc.
Class 3- Formula 1 cars built between January 1st 1954 and December 31st 1960 with non-supercharged engines of a maximum capacity 2500cc, or supercharged engines of maximum capacity 750cc.

RACE C VITTORIO MARZOTTO - Front-engine Sport Racing cars from 1952 to 1957

Class 1- Cars equipped with capacity engine from 1.5L to 2L.
Class 2- Cars with an engine capacity of more than 2L fitted with drum brakes.
Class 3- Cars with an engine capacity of more than 2L fitted with disk brakes.

RACE D GRAHAM HILL - F1 Grand Prix cars from 1961 to 1965

Class 1- Cars equipped with a 4 or 6 cylinders engine.
Class 2- Cars equipped with a 8 or 12 cylinders engine.

RACE E JACKIE STEWART
- F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1966 to 1972

Class 1- Cars raced in F1 Grand Prix in between January 1st 1966 and December 31st 1969.
Class 2- Cars built between January 1st 1970 and December 31st 1972, equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine.
Class 3- Cars built between January 1st 1970 and December 31st 1972, equipped with other engines.

RACE F NIKI LAUDA - F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1973 to 1976

Class 1- Cars equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine
Class 2- Cars equipped with other engines.

RACE G GILLES VILLENEUVE - F1 Grand Prix cars 3L from 1977 to 1980

Class 1- Cars designed not to exploit the ground effect.
Class 2- Cars designed to exploit the ground effect, equipped with a Ford-Cosworth DFV engine.
Class 3- Cars designed to exploit the ground effect, equipped with other engines.

And in French should you prefer...

SERIE A LOUIS CHIRON - Voitures de Grand Prix et Voiturettes d’avant-guerre

Classe 1- Voitures de Grand Prix
Classe 2- Voiturettes d’avant-guerre

SERIE B JUAN-MANUEL FANGIO - Voitures de Grand Prix * moteur avant construites entre 1946 et 1960

Classe 1- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1946 et le 31 Décembre 1953, équipées d’un moteur * compresseur de 1500 cm3 maximum ou d’un moteur sans compresseur de 4500 cm3 maximum.
Classe 2- Voitures de Formule 2 construites avant le 31 Décembre 1953, dont la cylindrée n’excède pas 2000 cm3 sans compresseur.
Classe 3- Voitures de Formule 1 construites entre le 1er Janvier 1954 et le 31 Décembre 1960, dont la cylindrée n’excède pas 2500 cm3 ou de 750 cm3 avec compresseur.

SERIE C VITTORIO MARZOTTO - Voitures de Sport * moteur avant de 1952 * 1957

Classe 1- Voitures dotées d’un moteur entre 1.5L et 2L.
Classe 2- Voitures dotées d’un moteur de plus de 2L et équipées de freins * tambour.
Classe 3- Voitures dotées d’un moteur de plus de 2L et équipées de freins * disque.

SERIE D GRAHAM HILL - Voitures de Grand Prix 1500 de 1961 * 1965

Classe 1- Voitures équipées d’un moteur de 4 ou 6 cylindres.
Classe 2- Voitures équipées d'un moteur de 8 ou 12 cylindres.

SERIE E JACKIE STEWART - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1966 * 1972

Classe 1- Voitures ayant participé * des Grand Prix de F1 entre le 1er Janvier 1966 et le 31 Décembre 1969.
Classe 2- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1970 et le 31 Décembre 1972, équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 3- Voitures construites entre le 1er Janvier 1970 et le 31 Décembre 1972, équipées d’un autre moteur.

SERIE F NIKI LAUDA - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1973 * 1976

Classe 1- Voitures équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 2- Voitures équipées d’un autre moteur.

SERIE G GILLES VILLENEUVE - Voitures de Grand Prix 3L de 1977 * 1980

Classe 1- Voitures conçues sans effet de sol.
Classe 2- Voitures conçues avec effet de sol et équipées d’un moteur Ford-Cosworth DFV.
Classe 3- Voitures conçues avec effet de sol et équipées d’un autre moteur.
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Old 14 Oct 2019, 17:40 (Ref:3934416)   #2
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Monaco GP Historique

My OH asked if I'd be interested - she'd seen some adverts for a minibreak . After picking myself up from the floor - racing is not normally her thing - the answer was yes, of course . Obviously I've seen it on TV -and it looks to have all the appeal of the modern race but without all the bad bits of modern F1 . Is this a gift horse I should look in the mouth - any problems re circuit access etc ? I'm tempted just to say a resounding YES .



If you've been I'd value your experience .
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Old 14 Oct 2019, 22:38 (Ref:3934460)   #3
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Brilliant. Do it. It's a great experience and there's often some very, very good racing.

Haven't been for a few years but I've done it twice and the old man has been 3 times. I suspect it's getting busier these days but well worth it, my last time was the 2016 edition when this happened https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sE7vlIh_N8

We stayed in Nice and train in every day as it's only about 10 euros (although don't forget to validate ticket else it can cost a lot more). In Monte Carlo it's a short walk to the track but allow a bit more time on race day. Fridays the grandstands aren't reserved so a good chance to see some different parts of the track. I enjoyed being at Casino Square on those days as it's a 'must do' but probably more suited to practice day than racing.

Personally I like to have a different spot for each day, I'd avoid the swimming pool grandstand which is marina side of the tracks as it's a bit far away. THe old man reckoned down by Tabac looking up towards the chicane was good, and I liked being at the back of the same grandstand as you can look over the back to the start/finish.

I say do it, you get the Monaco experience for a fraction of the price, with more track action, more romantic cars and fewer people. In 2012 we noted that a Sunday ticket for the GP a few weeks later was something like 400 euros a seat. So for less money we'd had 2.5 days of racing, flights, transfers, accommodation and food/drink.

Not sure if the photos will work, but hopefully do and give you an idea of what was there in 2012





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Old 15 Oct 2019, 06:41 (Ref:3934562)   #4
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I'm a first timer next year too. What do you mean by validate your ticket?

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Old 15 Oct 2019, 07:07 (Ref:3934567)   #5
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You need to put your train ticket into the yellow machine at the station at the start of your journey. The machine prints something on your ticket to validate it. Alternatives to Nice are Menton (12 minutes on the train from Monaco) or the lovely town of Villefranche-sur-Mer which is about 2 stops on the train from Nice.
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Old 15 Oct 2019, 15:05 (Ref:3934700)   #6
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Just asked parents about this and got a surprising yes if able to.

Hope the weathers better than last year but one of those events I'd love to experience.
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I'm very much looking forward to it. Anyone going down there need a truckie/awning builder? (7.5t maximum) I've booked myself out from the race weekend I'm due to work at so I may as well make an adventure of it.
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Monaco GP Historique spectating

Hi all
After enjoying motor sport for many years as a race marshal, had to take 3 years out due to illness, now much better and hoping to do the above as a spectator in 2020. Looking online lots of high end packages, but I am on a budget.
Are there entry fees each day for the stands, if so how expensive?
Planning on staying in Nice and getting the train each day, is this the simplest option.
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Hi Barry . We always stay in Menton . Couple of stops on the train and a lovely place .Get in touch sometime with e mail . I can explain all . Cheers Iain
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Monaco GP Historique grandstands 2020

After advice please.
I have booked flights and accommodation for this May, now looking for best viewing points a reasonable cost. I am looking at possibly the casino grandstand but the admin charges on tickets seem very high. Do i need to buy these in advance, or can I get them there?
Any advice on other exciting locations to watch from? Also hoping to do some photography while there.
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As we were up to 4 threads regarding the event, I’ve combined them all, and they’re plugged into the HRT calendar.....
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I have booked flights and accommodation for this May, now looking for best viewing points a reasonable cost. I am looking at possibly the casino grandstand but the admin charges on tickets seem very high. Do i need to buy these in advance, or can I get them there?
Any advice on other exciting locations to watch from? Also hoping to do some photography while there.
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Monaco Historics is a great meeting. I can recommend Casino Square for qualifying and Tabac K1 for race day. You can see screen well from both stands.
The prices are all the same the seats are now allocated for this meeting. Cheapest option is to book direct here. https://acm.mc/en/edition/grand-prix...-edition-2020/
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Thanks for the info, have looked and booked as you suggested, managed to get a great couple of single seat positions. Really looking forward to watching these classics around Monaco.
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At this moment looks like we will not be going , But never say never .
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Thanks for the info, have looked and booked as you suggested, managed to get a great couple of single seat positions. Really looking forward to watching these classics around Monaco.
You mentioned that you are hoping to do some photography.
I was in Grandstand K1 at two previous events and there are opportunities. Attached from 2018, taken with an old bridge camera.

Hope you have an enjoyable visit.
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Me too- it is one of the very few race circuits I feel I know my way around , purely from watching Grands Prix on TV, Wouldn't have a clue where Yas Marina's corners went , in common with most modern circuits .



I wonder how different it feels on the ground ? I expect I will notice the elevation changes most . But I don't doubt it will beat Croft on a wet Saturday anyway ...
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Monaco is always Monaco

For those at their first experience they will enjoy it without compromise.
Everything is at walking distance and on Sunday with the ticket in your hand you can visit the paddock entering by the old yacht club. If I'm not mistaken
this year the price for Sunday races is Euro 100, which is 3 times of 2 years ago and they have again removed the F3 race that in Monaco is always very entertaining. Going there by train is very clever and please chose a seat with the giant screen in front….
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I wonder how different it feels on the ground ? I expect I will notice the elevation changes most
Definitely notice the elevation changes if you wander about, also that the S/F straight feels pretty long when you have to walk it

Shame not to have the F3 race as usually pretty entertaining, but it's a great meeting regardless. Also a shame that the price has shot up (I think my first year we paid about 40 euros for the weekend tickets!), but I guess that's the price of success.
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The ACM site is showing 50Euro for Saturday and 100Euro for Sunday. Agree its a massive increase compared to the 40 odd Euro I paid 4 years ago for a ticket that covered Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
With just 7 races and masses of hanging around, sadly this is another once great meeting that has gone on to my avoid list.

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With the remarkably F1 focussed timetable I assume that the organisers have come under some pressure from the car owners for this year's event.

Perhaps people feel there have been too many cars on the grid in some races in previous years and wish to reduce the runners to numbers more in keeping with the races in period?

Are there enough cars around to fill the grids? I assume the homework has been done and the owners of potential entries have been consulted. If not the plan looks like a bit of a leap of faith. "Build it and they will come" concepts?

I will look forward to seeing the entry lists.
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Monaco Historic has a much bigger picture . The true fans want F3 and FJ back racing around the streets . “So do I”. F1 in money money money . Yes I will miss thundering through the tunnel and trying to keep foot in around the swimming pool but I can tell the grand kids I did once race at Monaco . Happy days .
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