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Old 19 Jan 2007, 01:08 (Ref:1818976)   #1
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Motorsport Memory - Motors TV

It looks like motors have got bored of their relentless Aussie V8 season reviews and have decided to show something interesting in the shape of motorsport memory. The last one I caught was the Lucas 1987 British F3 season (Haymarket production presumably for a season review back then probably), anyway although the editing leaved a bit to be desired at times. The racing is fantastic. I had no idea F3 cars back them moved around so much. Glorious oversteer and drifts. My God has the likes of Silverstone and Spa changed alot or what!

Watching the young J.Herbert, D. Hill, B.Gachot. G. Brabham do battle from 20yrs ago had me grinning like an idiot. The myriad chassis and engines were an eye opener too. Who would have thought Dallara would rule supreme today for F3 chassis? What fascinated me was that you could see even in their younger days, their specific driver traits. Good stuff.
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Old 19 Jan 2007, 18:04 (Ref:1819590)   #2
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Well spotted, thanks for posting. I'm currently watching the 1987 BTCC, excellent!
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Old 19 Jan 2007, 18:05 (Ref:1819591)   #3
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They showed all these last year, but glad they are being repeated. Good stuff!
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Old 20 Jan 2007, 11:52 (Ref:1820182)   #4
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Wish they had better titles though...I also caught Motorsport Memories - Johnny Herbert in the past week and was surprised to find an F3 season review - great stuff but if they'd called it F3 season 1987 would have been good as would've found it and not missed first couple of races!
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Old 20 Jan 2007, 13:03 (Ref:1820258)   #5
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Even better todayw as the Hodgetts one from 87 aswell, was superb seeing Harvey and O Brien, Carvell, Leech in the Rovers and stuff.

Great cars that were sliding adround all over the place and also good racing aswell. people seem to think that the 2 litre era was the start of great racing, well there was plenty ion the old races aswell.
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Old 20 Jan 2007, 13:48 (Ref:1820293)   #6
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Caught that one too, about half an hour before it ended! There is another one at 8pm this evening though not sure what it's featuring.
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Old 20 Jan 2007, 14:45 (Ref:1820334)   #7
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Tonight's is the 1987 BTCC again.
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...There is another one at 8pm this evening though not sure what it's featuring.
I think it is still the '87 BTCC. The next 'new' show is a 500cc GP bike one about Freddie Spencer's '86 season (although the text for the advert said Eddie Lawson at the top)

Good point about the program titles. The BTCC one had Hodgetts in the title. You would think the entire program was about him. The pattern so far is for Motors to add the name of the that year's championship winner onto the title hence Motorsport memory: Herbert etc.

Am the only one who thought the editing was a bit iffy at times? Still some good sliding action. . Just how many categories were there in the BTCC back then? I was confused a bit. How come someone from Class A wasn't the overall winner (Rouse, Harvery etc) and can someone explain to me what was going on at the wet-dry Oulton Park round (Round 10) where drivers were sharing cars? Needell and Hodgetts coming in different cars and swapping (same team) .

If it werent for the period cars and clothes of the people in the background, the program would have felt like highlights from a club meeting today on Race and Rally UK!
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Old 20 Jan 2007, 20:37 (Ref:1820497)   #9
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The 1987 BTCC review showed some fantastic racing which hopefully illustrates to newer fans why current driving standards are often criticised. It also shows touring cars that were actually exciting to watch and sounded terrific. For me, watching the BTCC in 1988 was what started off my interest in motorsport - the Sierras, M3s etc were fantastic.

The driver swapping at Oulton would have been the 1hr "enduro" race that was a fixture of the championship until 1991. 2 drivers (usually the regular driver with a non-series regular co-driver) would share the car, and there would be a pitstop for the driver change (and optional tyre changes). I can only assume that the Hodgetts/Needell combo was entered for both cars, hence the car swap at the pitstop.

As for the class structure, in the late 80's there were 4 classes, divided by engine capacity. Class D would be up to 1600cc (mainly Toyota Corollas of varying description), Class C was up to 2000cc (Golfs/Astras etc), Class B was up to 3000cc (BMW M3s) and Class A was over 3000cc/turbos (RS500s, Rovers etc). Basically each class was a separate championship, and the overall championship was simply the class championships amalgamated into 1. So after round 1 there would be a 4-way tie for the overall lead between the winners of classes A-D. This meant that the champion may often come from a lower, less competitive class.
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i love the way on the btcc 87 has all these young guns on the scene

Win Percy and Dave Brodie turned up at Silverstone and whiped the floor with them
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Truly fantastic. Hey I'm biased towards the Silverstone round with Brodie in the Starion (Starions of my own ), but this is what saloon car racing was all about. Brodie did have a habit of cranking up a good Starion for the Silverstone rounds and blowing the doors off the big names.

Nice one MotorsTV.

Where are those cars now? SD1's, 635's, XJS's, Capri's, GTV's etc,etc

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The 1987 BTCC review showed some fantastic racing which hopefully illustrates to newer fans why current driving standards are often criticised. It also shows touring cars that were actually exciting to watch and sounded terrific. For me, watching the BTCC in 1988 was what started off my interest in motorsport - the Sierras, M3s etc were fantastic.

The driver swapping at Oulton would have been the 1hr "enduro" race that was a fixture of the championship until 1991. 2 drivers (usually the regular driver with a non-series regular co-driver) would share the car, and there would be a pitstop for the driver change (and optional tyre changes). I can only assume that the Hodgetts/Needell combo was entered for both cars, hence the car swap at the pitstop.

As for the class structure, in the late 80's there were 4 classes, divided by engine capacity. Class D would be up to 1600cc (mainly Toyota Corollas of varying description), Class C was up to 2000cc (Golfs/Astras etc), Class B was up to 3000cc (BMW M3s) and Class A was over 3000cc/turbos (RS500s, Rovers etc). Basically each class was a separate championship, and the overall championship was simply the class championships amalgamated into 1. So after round 1 there would be a 4-way tie for the overall lead between the winners of classes A-D. This meant that the champion may often come from a lower, less competitive class.
Thanks for explaining all that. Appreciated. You are absolutely right about the Hodgetts/Needell thing. Had I thought more about it I would have realised the results list had them listed twice.
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Old 22 Jan 2007, 09:15 (Ref:1821528)   #13
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i love the way on the btcc 87 has all these young guns on the scene

Win Percy and Dave Brodie turned up at Silverstone and whiped the floor with them
Exactly what I thought. I only know about the likes of Percy, Brodie, Chris Craft etc from reading old Autosport race reports but clearly even in the 80s when presumably their careers were almost over, they could still peddle pretty quickly!
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Exactly what I thought. I only know about the likes of Percy, Brodie, Chris Craft etc from reading old Autosport race reports but clearly even in the 80s when presumably their careers were almost over, they could still peddle pretty quickly!
Like the guys you mention, there were an awful lot of very good drivers who had carved a niche for themselves throughout the 80's and there were championships all over the place. A lot of the guys saw this level as a decent stepping stone to sportscars and Group C whereas some of the guys created big enough names in touring cars in their own right, like Steve Soper, Andy Rouse, Klaus Ludwig, Hans Stuck, Roberto Ravaglia etc..

In Australia drivers in the same categories became national heroes like the late great Peter Brock, Dick Johnson etc..

I reckon that there must've been hundreds of cars spread across the classes all over the world!

I need that 1987 review!
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Friday 1800hrs to 1900hrs: Motorsport memory on Motors TV. Assuming its what I think it is, it will be a review of the 1994 British F3 season which has been on a couple of times already this week.

The likes of Magnussen, Franchitti, Radermacker and Rees et al do battle. Rosset, Warren Hughes, Erdos and even Verdon-Roe get a mention at some point.

Where did it all go wrong Jan? I wonder...
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