BTCC Round Nine, Donington Park 09-10 Oct, Races 25,26&27 - Page 5

Evantra · 11 Oct 2021, 16:25 (Ref:4078051)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Jelley is better than Oliphant and his talent is there, but things just haven’t worked out. Definitely the BMW isn’t as good as it has been

I'd say Oliphant is the better of the two, not sure what's happened to him recently.

BTCC frog · 11 Oct 2021, 16:38 (Ref:4078057)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

I'd say Oliphant is the better of the two, not sure what's happened to him recently.

I also think Oliphant is the better of the two. He was almost on Turkington’s level early in the season, but had a lot of bad luck and has struggled recently. It sounds like he will be leaving WSR at the end of the season; that could be a factor in his current poor form.

Matt K · 11 Oct 2021, 17:13 (Ref:4078069)

If it's true he's leaving then I'm curious whether WSR will have Turks and Jelley only or will remain a three-car operation. If so, wonder who can replace Oliphant.

porsche962fan · 11 Oct 2021, 17:37 (Ref:4078072)

speaking of BMW Morgan also lost his form in recent rounds

Evantra · 11 Oct 2021, 17:43 (Ref:4078075)

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Originally Posted by BTCC frog

It sounds like he will be leaving WSR at the end of the season; that could be a factor in his current poor form.

Where's that rumour from? Would've thought he would be pretty likely for next year with Jelley more at risk.

BTCC frog · 11 Oct 2021, 18:06 (Ref:4078080)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Where's that rumour from? Would've thought he would be pretty likely for next year with Jelley more at risk.

Someone on reddit who is usually very reliable. I actually just noticed that they revived that rumour today, on
https://www.reddit.com/r/btcc/commen...season_thread/
I don't know anything about the other stuff in this thread, but they mentioned this particular rumour a while ago, and suggested that it was Oliphant's own decision to leave WSR due to him paying a lot for that seat and being able to get another seat for less elsewhere. I thought Speedworks was his most likely destination, replacing Smelt, but this thread links Cook to that seat. Other places where I could see Oliphant going potentially are Motorbase (for Neate), Laser Tools (only if Sutton leaves) or Excelr8 (for Parfitt). None of these are actual rumours, just things I think might happen.

Car 7 · 11 Oct 2021, 18:23 (Ref:4078082)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

I'd say Oliphant is the better of the two, not sure what's happened to him recently.

Oliphant keeps getting knocked off when in good positions and usually in the first race of the weekend -

R1 3rd
R6 3rd
R8 1st (didn't go off but probably would have won if Ingram hadn't hit him at Paddock on last lap).
Big crash at Oulton

The list goes on but he has inherited Jelly's mantle as the unlucky driver

mprmke · 11 Oct 2021, 19:15 (Ref:4078087)

A few murmurs doing the rounds around the paddock (well, it is that time of the year…) are BMR and PMR to link up after BMR split with hard. Rumours of a new car, but I don’t know what. Sutton to spearhead this.

Cook to Speedworks. They’d like to keep Butcher to have a strong driver line-up, but may not be possible.

Plato to replace Cook at BTC.

Oliphant to Motorbase or possibly Excelr8.

Lots of uncertainty at Team Dynamics. Rowbottom may be out, but his funding appears to be keeping the team going at the moment. They’d like to pair Shedden and Butcher, but that wouldn’t bring anywhere near enough funding. Rumours of a completely new car, but again, funds are tight at the moment.

Talk of Mat Jackson in at WSR, but that’s probably wishful thinking as Oliphant’s seat is £££££!

This would probably be better in the other threads, but all the decent 2022 chat seems to be in here at the moment!

porsche962fan · 11 Oct 2021, 19:18 (Ref:4078088)

this PMR-BMR hook up , new car would have to be a RWD, can't imagine Sutton in a FWD

mprmke · 11 Oct 2021, 19:25 (Ref:4078089)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

this PMR-BMR hook up , new car would have to be a RWD, can't imagine Sutton in a FWD

He wouldn’t want to switch to FWD I’m sure. Also highly unlikely he’d swap to BMW, which would be the only other RWD option.

Matt K · 11 Oct 2021, 19:34 (Ref:4078090)

Quite surprising if Butcher is out after just a single season with Speedworks/Toyota. I think they need a strong pairing next year, Butcher/Cook would be great but probably will never happen unless Toyota brings substantial amount of money - which of course will never happen.

I've seen rumours about Crees at WSR... God help, please no.

porsche962fan · 11 Oct 2021, 19:38 (Ref:4078091)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

I've seen rumours about Crees at WSR... God help, please no.

could be worse , that Colin gets kicked out again but since he is not winning the title the odds are a bit less

crmalcolm · 11 Oct 2021, 20:05 (Ref:4078101)

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Originally Posted by mprmke

He wouldn’t want to switch to FWD I’m sure. Also highly unlikely he’d swap to BMW, which would be the only other RWD option.

A 3rd BMR-designed RWD? Options include:
face...

Jaguar XE
Alfa Romeo Giulia
Mercedes-C or E

mprmke · 11 Oct 2021, 20:30 (Ref:4078109)

An earlier rumour said that Sutton would be racing a new, British RWD car next season, if there’s any truth in that…..

Evantra · 11 Oct 2021, 20:48 (Ref:4078118)

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Originally Posted by Matt K

I've seen rumours about Crees at WSR... God help, please no.

Oh no, he totally deserves that seat! In fact, ditch Turkington and have Edwards and Hamilton in there too!

porsche962fan · 11 Oct 2021, 20:51 (Ref:4078119)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Oh no, he totally deserves that seat! In fact, ditch Turkington and have Edwards and Hamilton in there too!

you forgot a real star who has the pockets too, the legendary Andy Neate who did once drive for WSR

Sodemo · 12 Oct 2021, 09:20 (Ref:4078171)

I thought a btcc team already evaluated the Jag and came to the conclusion it wasn’t possible due to the construction of the shell?

AnnoyedMoose · 12 Oct 2021, 09:35 (Ref:4078173)

Odd that people mention Crees, Edwards and Hamilton as though they all have deep pockets. All three of them have struggled for budget and have worked hard to raise the money. Any driver can do that. If they can't then doesn't that show they don't really have the necessary grit for the job?

mprmke · 12 Oct 2021, 09:41 (Ref:4078174)

I'm not sure what the score is with Crees, but for drivers who are always going to be near the back, Hamilton and Edwards bring a lot more to teams than most "back markers" off-track.

Pickles · 12 Oct 2021, 12:04 (Ref:4078191)

Didn't Crees win the Jack Sears last year? Or was the 'God no' relating to his videos with Paul O'Neill etc?

Matt K · 12 Oct 2021, 12:09 (Ref:4078192)

If you ask me, winning Jack Sears Trophy doesn't mean anything, it's not even a rookie of the year contest, just a 'best of the worst' competition that doesn't have any true value in my opinion.
Apart from winning the trophy, Crees was 17th in the standings while his teammates 9th and 10th. Cook won three races, Chilton was three times on a podium, while Crees was three times in top 10. It's enough for me to think he's not the candidate for WSR. I'd rather see WSR decreased to two cars than see a top seat wasted.

Evantra · 12 Oct 2021, 12:44 (Ref:4078195)

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Originally Posted by Pickles

Didn't Crees win the Jack Sears last year? Or was the 'God no' relating to his videos with Paul O'Neill etc?

Somehow... Bobby Thompson should've won it if not for his crash / iffy car.

I would rate him higher than Edwards or Hamilton (but then that's not hard) but he's not BTCC level, certainly not anything like WSR. Plus his fanbase can be rather annoying...

crmalcolm · 12 Oct 2021, 15:39 (Ref:4078218)

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Originally Posted by Sodemo

I thought a btcc team already evaluated the Jag and came to the conclusion it wasn’t possible due to the construction of the shell?

BMR evaluated them as an option before switching to the Levorg.

Weight was put forward as the reason for not going down that route - although we know the CoG of the Subaru engine was the main reason to go Levorg.

Pickles · 12 Oct 2021, 17:44 (Ref:4078228)

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Originally Posted by Evantra

Somehow... Bobby Thompson should've won it if not for his crash / iffy car.

Good point, to be fair I'd completely forgotten about that.

S griffin · 14 Oct 2021, 12:08 (Ref:4078422)

To be fair there’s a lot of what ifs in every championship. Sometimes you need the luck on your side

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