Marshals Equipment and Attire (Monaco)

[275 GTB-4]

Hello to all european Marshals, here is dumb antipodean question #432.

Watching Monaco I noticed that Intervention Marshals had numbered helmets etc All marshals seemed to be kitted out with the same gear including lightweight helmets with visors (optional), orange probans etc. The obvious question is .....are the marshals issued with this gear? Do you keep it for other meetings? signed "Curious Marshal" Canberra, Australia

[Woolley]

I'm sure they get issued, the probans being for keeps, everything else property of ACMonaco. They like it to look tidy in the Principality.

A few years ago at the British GP we were issued with some nice overalls by the RAC. You had to sign a waiver to say they belonged to the RAC, you would wear them each year, not sew patches on, promise to keep them clean, etc. This lasted for three years with 'new' GP marshals getting a set for their first year. Anyway, one guy I know who hated the GP, didn't want to go, had stopped doing it a few years previously figured it was worth one more turn out in order to get said free overalls. Of course, that was the year Fosters took the sponsorship back, and there weren't any issued...

[Stephen Green]

It was the three years the RAC were the main sponsor of the GP.

[scorch]

Back to monaco, I understood that the marshalls in monaco got numbered helmets instead of the nice tabards everybody else has to wear.

[Mark Mitchell]

Well I'll stick to the Tabards thankyou very much.
Bernie is definately not sticking a number on my helmet

[BFC]

they all look like jaffas

[PVDA]

The marshalls at the Australian GP are issued with a nice pair of overalls, White polyester ones for normal tracksiders and Red or Green for the Firies or Medics.

These are supposed to be handed in at the end of the event and reissued to you for the next year, mind you my pair are now 8 years old and showing signs of wear and tear.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by PVDA back in July 2003

The marshalls at the Australian GP are issued with a nice pair of overalls, White polyester ones for normal tracksiders and Red or Green for the Firies or Medics.

These are supposed to be handed in at the end of the event and reissued to you for the next year, mind you my pair are now 8 years old and showing signs of wear and tear.

I'm still using the same pair of "overalls" as when I first posted the above comment and considering there will probably be No F1GP in Australia after the 2010 event will probably only use the same pair at all of them, they've certainly seen better days and are getting worn out and tired (bit like their user)

[Stephen Green]

But are they fire retardant?

[275 GTB-4]

Originally posted by Stephen Green
But are they fire retardant?

Only the Firies are retard (ergh..ant)

[chezza]

I think that that is quite dangerous...all marshals could come into contact with fire and they should all have fire retardant overalls

[blueflagger]

At Indy F1, we get blue cotton overalls that have been dipped in some sort of fire-retardent solution that makes them feel like polyester. Only pit lane & fire marshals get fire retardent tabards at Indy. No helmets either, thank goodness. We have to sign for the suits and turn them over to the track staff at the end of the weekend.

[PVDA]

Originally posted by Stephen Green
But are they fire retardant?

Yes the Red and Green versions are wool based but we in White are expendable.

[scorch]

Am I right in thinking that at the meetings where you are not desinated as fire (and don't have a pair of fire proof overalls you are not expected to deal with any fire...

EG at the Australian GP if you are a normal trackside marshall you would not put out a fire.

This is different to this country where if you are trackside you are expected to deal with a fire.

[275 GTB-4]

Originally posted by scorch
Am I right in thinking that at the meetings where you are not desinated as fire (and don't have a pair of fire proof overalls you are not expected to deal with any fire...

EG at the Australian GP if you are a normal trackside marshall you would not put out a fire.

This is different to this country where if you are trackside you are expected to deal with a fire.

There are fire extinguishers at each and every Flag Point here in Oz. It is rare, but there are occaisions when you could be called upon to use them. Generally speaking, if a car started to burn then it would be called in and a fire vehicle might respond. However, if the incident is in a difficult place to get at, and race control is dithering about, etc then the extinguishers are not there for show.

I recall a marshal here fighting a major fire and being burn't for his trouble.

Can we talk about a less scary subject now?

[chezza]

I think all track side marshals should have fire retardant overalls (luckily we do) because a few months ago the was a car that pulled off with no obvious problems, driver wasn't sure what was wrong. The marshals started to push it towards the track and BANG it burst into flames, luckily nobody was seriously injured!

[Alx]

Originally posted by PVDA
The marshalls at the Australian GP are issued with a nice pair of overalls, White polyester ones for normal tracksiders and Red or Green for the Firies or Medics.

These are supposed to be handed in at the end of the event and reissued to you for the next year, mind you my pair are now 8 years old and showing signs of wear and tear.

:confused:

Why don't they wear orange? Don't people keep thinking they're flags??

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by Alx

:confused:

Why don't they wear orange? Don't people keep thinking they're flags??

I don't know of anywhere in Aus that uses orange overalls, except for Phillip Island's communal set, but I think thats so they can get them all back at the end of the weekend.

The Vic Flag Teams uniform looks something like this

The blue bands are so you can tell which way is 'up' from a distance, so you know if said flaggie has taken a dive.

Mick

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by Alx

:confused:

Why don't they wear orange? Don't people keep thinking they're flags??

Australian roving Sector Marshals wear Orange...other trackside workers including Flaggies wear White, Fire wear Red, Medical Green, Recovery is Lt Blue.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Australian roving Sector Marshals wear Orange...other trackside workers including Flaggies wear White, Fire wear Red, Medical Green, Recovery is Lt Blue.

That's in NSW.

Victoria has the Flaggies in White (with blue), Firies are in Red/Yellow if VRFS & Yellow if RACESAFE, Medics are in Yellow if RACESAFE & Green if TMA, Recovery are in Hi Viz Polo shirts & jackets if PIARC and whatever else if not. As for Comm's most just wear civvy's &/or a club shirt as they don't usually set foot on the track itself can get away with it.

SA seems to have specially made Orange & White overalls through SAMROA.

[bluebeard]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Australian roving Sector Marshals wear Orange...other trackside workers including Flaggies wear White, Fire wear Red, Medical Green, Recovery is Lt Blue.

with a set of marshals like that who needs separate flags? you could wave the marshals instead

[DarrellB]

The idea that trackside marshals are not equiped with fire resistant clothing is quite concerning.

British marshals are trained in fire fighting and the majority will equip themselves with the appropriate clothing. I would imagine that a large majority have also at some point come into contact with a fire during a meeting.

Most fires that happen are easily dealt with by the marshals on post without ever needing to dispatch a vehicle and it is a far quicker response.

[Rich D]

Originally Posted by DarrellB

The idea that trackside marshals are not equiped with fire resistant clothing is quite concerning.

British marshals are trained in fire fighting and the majority will equip themselves with the appropriate clothing. I would imagine that a large majority have also at some point come into contact with a fire during a meeting.

Most fires that happen are easily dealt with by the marshals on post without ever needing to dispatch a vehicle and it is a far quicker response.

Interesting... it is standard practice over here (Canada). We avoid synthetic material, but just wear white cotton (so it does not melt..) Yes, we are trained in frie response, and do respond - general theory is if you are close enough to need fire retardent clothing, you are too close anyway......and if it's that big, you'd better have called for the fire truck before wading in with a bottle.

[danccooke]

Originally Posted by Rich D

Interesting... it is standard practice over here (Canada). We avoid synthetic material, but just wear white cotton (so it does not melt..) Yes, we are trained in frie response, and do respond - general theory is if you are close enough to need fire retardent clothing, you are too close anyway......and if it's that big, you'd better have called for the fire truck before wading in with a bottle.

I agree with the sentiment and if you are aproaching a fire that is fine, but.... if you are at the car which apparently is ok and the fire decides it wants to approach you. You can find yourself in a warm position very quickly and unitentionally. Example the Martin Stretton crash at Goodwood Revival last year in the ISO Bizzarini (spelling). On approach from my angle there was no fire. Moments later large fire, toasty warm bum. Two powder and two foam extringuishers used by other marshals. From crash to fire out 17 seconds, Rescue crew arrived at about 46 seconds ( I had a nice set of photo's sent to me with time stamps) The driver was in no way able to remove himself from the danger of the fire had we not put it.

[Teletubby]

Originally Posted by danccooke

From crash to fire out 17 seconds, Rescue crew arrived at about 46 seconds.

See what we can do without the distraction of donuts!