Competition? - Page 2

tim-b · 20 Sep 2007, 21:03 (Ref:2019286)

Sounds like fun, I think the pro/am distinction of having a pass is fair, as redshoes says if you feel you're good enough to have accreditation then why would you not be good enough to enter a fun forum competition in the pro class?

Besides, from my viewpoint, i.e. the wrong side of the fence, it's a massive advantage to be able to get past the throngs of idiots waving camera phones in front of me.....

, let alone actually getting a better vantage point of the track!

Anyways, just to say I think its a great idea, and would like to suggest that any themes are carefully chosen to be open to interpretation, as others have pointed out a perfectly focussed/exposed pic of a car can be rather dull. And while I'm being opinionated I'll say that 3-4 pics would suit me better than 2, with 3-4 you can really describe an event whereas only 2 doesn't tell much of a story.

MikeHoyer · 20 Sep 2007, 21:13 (Ref:2019303)

OK, I will come up with a competition theme next week - it's a bit late now, and I need to be up early tomorrow...

RaptorUK · 20 Sep 2007, 22:18 (Ref:2019353)

So who is drafting a set of rules ? even if it's a bit of fun you still need rules . . .

MikeHoyer · 21 Sep 2007, 08:03 (Ref:2019519)

I will do that, either over the weekend or early next week.

**Snapper Baz** · 21 Sep 2007, 21:14 (Ref:2020093)

Sounds a good idea but it seems a bit long winded for just showing a couple of pics each month!! But-f it gets people interested then it must be good!!

Tim the Grey · 22 Sep 2007, 08:48 (Ref:2020284)

KISS rules is best. Keep It Simple,Stupid?

2 entries, more is a deleted entry, taken in whatever timeframe suits the group (This week/month/year) to kick things off. Revise as we go to sort out the inevitable issues that arise?

As I said earlier, a general,open,thing just to get started?

minimangler · 24 Sep 2007, 10:52 (Ref:2021605)

2 just isnt a big enough sample. Any mug with a point and shoot can take two good photos, maybe even great ones.
5 is starting to look deeper, especially if the portfolio is very varied.
So like pans/head ons/paddock shots/people etc.

minimangler · 24 Sep 2007, 10:54 (Ref:2021608)

Quote:

Originally Posted by tim-b

Besides, from my viewpoint, i.e. the wrong side of the fence, it's a massive advantage to be able to get past the throngs of idiots waving camera phones in front of me.....

, let alone actually getting a better vantage point of the track!

How on earth did you manage to get a camera phone waver in your face?

Hubble · 24 Sep 2007, 11:23 (Ref:2021626)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimangler

2 just isnt a big enough sample. Any mug with a point and shoot can take two good photos, maybe even great ones.
5 is starting to look deeper, especially if the portfolio is very varied.
So like pans/head ons/paddock shots/people etc.

2 is enough. Pick your best and take your chances. It's a competition, not a request to display the contents of your gallery

tim-b · 24 Sep 2007, 12:17 (Ref:2021687)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimangler

How on earth did you manage to get a camera phone waver in your face?

Errr...they're everywhere, haven't you noticed? the number of opportunities spoilt by some chavvy little **** squeezing up next to me, stepping on my camera bag then holding his arm right into my shot....although once i did actually hit a woman quite hard in the face whilst panning with my long lens (and still they don't learn).

back to topic, if there are multiple pic entries, are they judged as a set or individually? if as a set i'd like 3-4 as i said earlier, if individually then 2 or even 1 would be easier.

**BertMk2** · 24 Sep 2007, 12:24 (Ref:2021696)

Quote:

Originally Posted by minimangler

Any mug with a point and shoot can take two good photos, maybe even great ones.

Right. So that makes limiting the number of photos better surely? That way the 'mugs' at least stand a chance of winning - if it's "who's got the best 1000 photos" then only the pros with a huge catalog will enter. By limiting the subject matter and number of photos it opens the whole thing up to more people - surely the more people that enter the better?

(Unless of course you're scared of being beaten by a 'mug'

)

minimangler · 24 Sep 2007, 17:15 (Ref:2021899)

I'm not scared of being beaten- but i would be annoyed if i saw one person took say 100 photos of which 2 were good, when i know i could do at least 25% success rate on a good day.

That's all. It's not about a huge catalogue. And if a mug wins, they're obviously not a mug, are they?

Robin_D · 24 Sep 2007, 17:59 (Ref:2021934)

But the thing is, you have amateurs that can point and shoot and is a good picture for their experience. Also you have the amateur that has money!

I don't have time enough to build up a collection of 5 good shots that I am really pleased with. Let alone Motorsport shots as I marshal.

Would love this to be open or at least have categorys. e.g. ****ed People and their Surroundings. Man I would win that!

zac510 · 24 Sep 2007, 18:00 (Ref:2021936)

Sometimes those photo galleries with 1000 photos of every different car in the same shot are the absolute worst.

It should be three photos filling each category: Track, Pit/Paddock and 'Arty'. The arty being which ever style you want but judges would favour a photo that is different altogether to the track/pit ones as the point is that the photographer will demonstrate they can manage 3 different techniques - two fundamental to motorsport photography and one demonstrating creativity and imagination. Anybody without 3 photographs will be excluded/ignored. The photos need not be from one single event.

Whaddyathink?

RaptorUK · 24 Sep 2007, 19:49 (Ref:2022035)

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Originally Posted by zac510

Whaddyathink?

I think that is over complicated and will have the following effects:

Low number of entries

Complicated voting process

Why not keep it simple at the start, pick a theme, decide a timeframe, specify a size, specify what can and can't be done in post processing, specify a single picture entry.

You also need to decide if it's going to be annonymouse or public, i.e. will we know which entry belongs to who before voting ?

Robin_D · 24 Sep 2007, 22:57 (Ref:2022180)

i.e. we send them to a certain person to upload?

gungadan · 24 Sep 2007, 23:11 (Ref:2022189)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RaptorUK

I think that is over complicated and will have the following effects:

Low number of entries

Complicated voting process

Why not keep it simple at the start, pick a theme, decide a timeframe, specify a size, specify what can and can't be done in post processing, specify a single picture entry.

You also need to decide if it's going to be annonymouse or public, i.e. will we know which entry belongs to who before voting ?

Good point. Otherwise tactical voting might take place. Unthinkable, I know.

RaptorUK · 25 Sep 2007, 07:05 (Ref:2022302)

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Originally Posted by Robin_D

i.e. we send them to a certain person to upload?

yes, that is one way if it's to be kept annonymous, AVForums run a monthly competition where any post processing is allowed and the entrant posts up their own picture . . .

All I am saying is that there are many ways of doing this and it needs a lot of thought and discussion.

minimangler · 25 Sep 2007, 12:16 (Ref:2022543)

So we give them to an admin, preferably non photo, (ayse?) and they upload them?

I reckon 5 photos, any category, but completely open to anything motorsport. BUT! A wider selection should score more "marks"?

stefan · 25 Sep 2007, 14:35 (Ref:2022672)

I reckon....

Separate themes and then one photo per theme.

Duffacus · 25 Sep 2007, 15:40 (Ref:2022739)

I think on a monthly basis is best. Either a picture taken in that month or just a chosen topic, I'm not sure?

Post processing, maybe a crop and colour correction?

Send them to an admin, then we vote. Keep it anonymous?

Or something along those lines! Just give it a go and see what happens???

Snapperjack · 25 Sep 2007, 15:49 (Ref:2022742)

Yes, keep it simple. A monthly competition, 1 photo, any motorsport category, photo no older than 6 months. Nothing wrong with someone getting a lucky shot.

As Duffus' says simple post processing only crop and colour correction should do. Dont think it needs to be anonymous as I think it will become fairly obvious whose is whose.

RaptorUK · 25 Sep 2007, 18:45 (Ref:2022847)

A few questions . . .

how do you verify that the shot was taken withing the time period ?

how do you stop a person entering the same winning shot in more than 1 month ?

how do you get plenty of entries if only a few people go to plenty of motorsports events, e.g. my next event is BTCC at Thruxton, then Wales Rally GB

perhaps the competition should be non-motorsport related to make it more open ?

MikeHoyer · 25 Sep 2007, 18:50 (Ref:2022855)

That would defeat the object of a motorsport forum though.

It's just a bit of fun really, if we waited til everybody was at one event we'd be waiting for ever!

Time the photo was taken can be determined from the IPTC data.

fraggs · 25 Sep 2007, 19:15 (Ref:2022888)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Getting accreditation isn't always a question of being good enough - sometimes it's a case of "who you know".

(I'm not having a pop at you there fraggs

)

its okay.. I know what you mean.

its been a few days since I read this thread, just playing catch up with the latest.

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