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I think if anything having A1 there next year will have a negative impact on the event, the would have been far better off turning into a Clipsal on the Gold Coast, bought in the Fujitsu's, the Ute's etc. Very few people cared about the Indy Cars and fewer still will even know the an A1 GP car even is.
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I wouldn't mind seeing the GC300 turn into a more international event.
Half the spectators wouldn't know the difference between a ChampCar or IRL car anyway. Fewer would care. They are there for a good time, to watch some racing and to party. A1 has the potential to bring in a lot of international visitors to the Gold Coast. End of the day, who cares where they came from, as long as it's a party? |
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Does anyone go to Indy to watch the racing? unless you are in a grandstand how much of the track can you see anyway? not a lot i bet.
A1GP at GoldCoast wont change the scene... not many trackside punters know any of the Indy drivers anyway. Hasnt the driver for the Aussie A1GP team changed a thousssandd times since it started as well? Indy = Beer, Boobs and a big party! |
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My first year up there this year and plenty of spectators lining the fences to watch both the V8s and Indycars charging around..... plenty of partying too
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Yes Surfers isabout party. Yes it does have limited viewing. But other than a few parts of the Adelaide circuit there is nowhere else in Australia that the crowd can get so close to the action and be involved in the excitement.
As for the Black Wiggle, sorry Tony, the Taxis will always be the support act. GT, the Aussie racers and a Group N historic would keep the crowds just as happy as your circus. |
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Seems abit of attention seeking from V8SA and AA has bit, how surprising
Is there any substance as to why Cochrane doesnt want to run with A1 GP? If V8s leave, there are plenty to fill their place. |
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according to vmag. TC is happy to run with A1
the deal has now be signed |
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Would be interesting to see if AA had a quote of TC's "never running alongside A1" remark.
If so, such a backflip as reported by Peckstar must be a sobering reminder of how little influence he has with Gold Coast organisers. |
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actually when your arguing a case its fair to say you should give the quote and the source
i think your just making it up or possibly misquoting. its probably more likely he said , we will never run alongside A1 at Eastern creek Last edited by peckstar; 24 Nov 2008 at 10:17. |
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As was evident from the original post, AA cited as the source.
If your having crisis of confidence i would check the magazine. |
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Of course Cochrane has influence. He threw a tantrum about the IndyCars and the way the V8s were "treated", and subsequently got his way.
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Let’s be clear of one fact, the Indy race was dying until an Aussie (David Besnard) was put into a car by WPS and C. Gore. Even in that year (2004) the crowds still only rushed to the fence when the Supercars were on track. Over the next 4 years Team Australia/WPS/Aussie Vineyards/Craig Gore worked their butts off spent a fortune supporting and promoting Champ/Indy chasing an Aussie victory on home turf. That alone built interest in the Champcars and got the punters to the fences to watch, not because of the formula. Back in 04 hardly any of the cars had sponsorship on them and Champcar would probably have folded and joined Tony George’s mob year’s earlier if had not been for Gores involvement. Whether A1 is successful or not remains to be seen but you can be certain of the fact the V8Supercars house is always No1 priority in TC’s view and so it should be with any good business. |
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You don't have to convince me of the importance of Craig Gore's input to any motorsport category at anytime in his history of doing so - I have been a staunch supporter of Gore's motorsport pursuits for many years. The way he went about things sometimes wasn't ideal, but his passion and his willingness to sink loads of cash into the sport I love is hugely admirable. As for Champ Cars/ Indycars/ CART, well I remember some pretty big crowds lapping up Zanardi's donuts in the late 90s. They were also particularly interested in the Montoya/ Franchitti battles of 1999 and 2000. Things really hit hard around 2002 - when they hit hard for Champ Car everywhere (not just at Surfers). If, as you say, things began to pick up in 2004, that's only two years of lack of interest! Frankly, this discussion is not about the past and any interest Gore's involvement obviously generated. It is about the now and the future. With the perilous state of Champ Cars in recent times, you can't tell me that Tony Cochrane was not a little nervous about the possible rise of a unified Indycar series... A series featuring big name drivers and teams, and successful Australian drivers that could ultimately take some of the V8's media profile at and authority over the event. Far better to have a bunch of no-name drivers, in a relatively new series, that desperately needs a kick-along like the inclusion of a sexy new race. Mr Cochrane stands a far better chance of getting his own way in terms of the measures you outline in such a circumstance. Call me cynical... Quote:
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I find it hard to believe that this was the only time such a threat has been made in a period of over a decade on the Gold Coast... Again, I must point out that I'm not bagging Tony Cochrane for doing everything he can in the interests of V8Supercars. |
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Is there likely to even be change to the event name? I wouldnt think there needs to be, Indy 300 (or however many km's A1 GP will do over the weekend) is such a strong brand Australia and worldwide that it doesnt need to change. |
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