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11 Jun 2018, 18:15 (Ref:3828472) | #426 | |
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I can't criticise Hartley for the move,but I can imagine the criticism had he held back echoing what was directed at Bottas a few weeks ago.As the man said "If you see a gap and don't go for it-you are no longer a racing driver.".
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My view is that the only thing you can blame Hartley for is throwing an optimistic pass down past Stroll. Cutting the corner slightly before gave him a bit of an usual line and I doubt Stroll even considered that he might be there, add a dab of oppo into that mix and there was nowhere for either of them to go.
I do think that Hartley is fast becoming a name synonymous with scattered bits of carbon fiber debris though, and his decision making is clearly not quite there yet. Collecting that 911 at Silverstone last year looks to have been the top of a slippery slope! |
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12 Jun 2018, 09:22 (Ref:3828604) | #429 | |
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it's lap 1 turn 5 - there's always an element of praying one of the five blokes around you don't lose control.
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Have a look at the photo below, which is a few seconds before wall time. Hartley is almost entirely off the track. Right at this point is when he should've backed off. He is not even on the track FFS! But after he cut the corner, he then tries to get ahead of Stroll on the outside of turn 5! Even if Stroll didn't have that oversteer moment, Stoll was always going to drive to the left as that is the proper racing line for turn 5. Someone mentioned how the Force India managed the same passing move on a Renault at the same corner just moments before the Stroll/Hartley crash. If you look closely, Ocon is still inside the track limits at that exact same location where Harley had his car on the grass, almost all four wheels off the track. Ocon got the advantage he needed by staying off the grass and squeezing Hulkenberg by taking a straighter line. Plus Ocon actually overtook Hulkenberg well before the spot Stroll and Hartley collided. Hartley was just over ambitious by cutting the corner and staying on the gas on the outside of T5 with Stroll side by side, inches away. Two very different scenarios, but here we have some trying to compare both moves as the same. With Hartley on this ice, he should not have put himself in that position. Simple as that. It's lap 1 of 70 FFS, and when your F1 career is on the chopping block, that was not a smart move at all. The only reason Hartley will continue at Toro Rosso is because they cannot find another driver to take his seat. For the moment. |
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Hartley should never have put himself in the position of being alongside another car! You have no idea what these other drivers would do! What if one of them crashes? Clearly, the best thing Hartley can do for his career is never overtake another car ever again, that's too risky. In fact, he should park his car completely so Stroll can't crash into it. That's a sensible career move. |
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12 Jun 2018, 13:01 (Ref:3828644) | #432 | |
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Hartley was just unfortunate that Stroll lost it. You can fit two cars down there, so it was a perfectly legitimate move.
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Appologies for cutting up your post, but I wanted to avoid jumping around with my comments...
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If you look earlier in the video Stroll was up against the wall just as far off as Hartley was. In fact, I wondered if he might have touched the wall. Is that when Stroll should have backed off as well? Regarding Ocon/Hulkenberg. I would say the main difference between them and Stroll/Hartley is that Hulkenberg gave Ocon room. In fact you can see him going for the same line that Stroll takes, but sees Ocon and jinks right to give him room. I personally don't think Stroll knew he was there. Hartley was along side and Stroll just kept coming over. Hartley mirrored his moves. It's not like he initially aimed for the curb! Kudos to Hulkenberg for looking in his mirrors after leaving a gap open to see if someone was there. Quote:
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12 Jun 2018, 20:29 (Ref:3828731) | #434 | |
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Regarding the performance of the new Honda power unit at Canada. There are a number of articles in which Gasly has praised the new unit. Here are two examples...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/g...an-gp-1045560/ https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...-decision.html Richard |
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New "upgraded" engine introduced last race in Canada, it didn't last long in Gasly's car. And again the Honda engine has problems, this time in Harley's car.
Two races, two engines. What upgrade?? https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...oblem-1047275/ |
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Just announced, engine is going back to Japan for investigation.
Hartley to start from the back of the grid. Not good enough Honda! How long can this farcical situation continue?? |
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27 Jun 2018, 05:38 (Ref:3833279) | #437 | ||
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Pretty lack lustre effort in qualifying today even I'm thinking time is running on F1 career now...
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Why Gasty can't even come close to Ercsson? It's their flimsy chance to get single point
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1 Jul 2018, 15:13 (Ref:3834015) | #441 | |
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Tyres no doubt the main story today. Wouldn’t be surprised if that happened to Gasly too
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Good drive by Hartley till the car died I've never doubted him for a moment.
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It seems Gasly's car was hobbled after the first lap contact with Vandoorne
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I'm not sure it was that great. Gasly cleared off, did his pitstop, caught Hartley, passed him and was another 5sec clear before Hartley had even pitted. This with a damaged car as well?
Hartley would have closed in on newer tyres but never would have caught him. Ericsson was about 10 sec clear of Hartley, and he stopped on lap 45, caught and passed Gasly and finished 7 seconds ahead. But Hartley probably wouldn't have caught Gasly because the Saubers were faster in this race anyway, and he didn't pit till lap 54. So 11th at best for Hartley. Not great considering Alonso was behind him for the first part of the race. RB just put Hartley on another odd strategy, going 54 laps on SS's. I assume they had a spare seat of new ultra's for the last stint. Only one other driver did more than 27 laps on those tyres and that was Sainz doing 36 laps. I wasn't watching the lap times but he must have been losing a good bit of speed in those last laps before pitting. |
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It looks like Hartley's tyres held up OK as he did his fastest time on lap 42 (1.09.171) while Gasley's was on lap 38 (1.09.295).
Both were running on Super Softs but Hartley's were 42 laps old at his fastest lap while Gasley's were only 23 laps old (he pitted on lap 15). Another factor was that Hartley had the "old" front wing while Gasley had the latest update. |
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Another brand new "special built" Honda engine for Hartley.
And a new MGU-K too. That's six engines for Hartley, and we haven't even started the tenth race of twenty for the season. |
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Hopefully the wheels don't fall off his wagon before the end of the race...
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