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Old 9 May 2021, 12:45 (Ref:4050516)   #776
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It's like all the niches are occupied by other racing series and as Supercars try to evolve/progress, no matter what they think up, somebody's already in that space.
eSupercars is available. There is no local electric circuit racing series AFAIK.

It might be a good way to futureproof the category? Solving the engineering challenge of an EV race car that can complete a 1000km race would be a world-first (I believe), showing Australian motorsport leading the world!

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Now they are trying to move on from lame duck #1 (ZB) to lame duck #2 (Camaro, uncertain future imo, horrible sales). Reeks of desperation, holding on tight to the last vestiges of "me like red" and of course, "me like blue"
General Motors appears to be highly valued by the Supercars category.
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Old 10 May 2021, 03:08 (Ref:4050751)   #777
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Why not?

You still see far more Opel Commodores driving around than Chevrolet Camaros...

As a silhouette series, what does it matter what the body shapes are?

I'm more concerned about the GT3-push with unwanted items like paddle shift and digital rearview mirror. Stuff that nobody asked for.
Nobody asked for..... in fact, have stated quite loudly that they are not wanted, with valid reasons for having such an opinion.
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If popular green trends around the world are to be believed, Supercar should probably denounce E85 and shift to Hydrogen power....
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Old 13 May 2021, 10:02 (Ref:4051424)   #779
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Nobody asked for..... in fact, have stated quite loudly that they are not wanted, with valid reasons for having such an opinion.
It's not 1992 anymore.

Paddleshift, and LCD screens in place of the rear view mirror are already old tech everywhere else in the world.

A bit of modernisation won't hurt the catagory. That the so-called fanbase can't get its head around certain things, shouldn't be a deterrant.
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Old 13 May 2021, 12:19 (Ref:4051458)   #780
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A bit of modernisation won't hurt the catagory.
Shouldn't it be about the joy of the driving?

The grand old Ferrari F50 is such a lovely sportscar compared to the modern day LaFerrari replacement: https://youtu.be/lYjxFIyO0QQ?t=501 Just 21 years ago and a fleet of supercars and sportscars with not a paddle shift in sight!

It's a joy to watch Kurosawa-san work the grand old F50 (above), just as it was a joy to watch Brock work the E30 BMW M3 or the Mobil Commodore.

The H-pattern was always a lot of fun after all [Skaife preferred 5th or 6th direct to 2nd via neutral, a shift which is impossible with a sequential or paddle system], so a return to a H-pattern would be most welcome IMO.

The other characteristics of Project Blueprint like using road-car chassis pressings, road-car body panels, road-car windscreens, road-car light fixtures, road-car dash boards (as opposed to carbon-fibre replicas) and road-car glass (at some point perspex become popular though) should also be revisited IMO.

All the things that made the category great during Project Blueprint like being based on real cars (even if the Commodores got Ford Falcon double-wishbone front suspension), teams being able to develop their own cars, teams being able to develop their own engines -- these have all gradually gone away (apart from the 10:1 cast-iron pushrod engines, albeit now quite restricted), it's such a shame.

Of course it would be welcome to drop the antiquated 2-valve cast iron port-injected pushrod engines for something more modern (and hopefully more Ferrari 458-ish or Shelby GT350-ish, with a lovely screaming wail to it).

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Old 13 May 2021, 12:49 (Ref:4051460)   #781
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It's not 1992 anymore.
Put it this way. It's meant to a Mustang out there on the track right? This is the hottest late model Mustang for driving enthusiasts, and it only comes with six gears arranged in the pattern of a H: Shelby GT350 Laguna Seca hot lap



(Sure this manual gearbox is a lot slower than the 10-speed automatic gearbox with paddle shift that came out in Mustang in 2019, which incidentally will almost always by owners be used in auto mode... But that doesn't matter. )

The Shelby GT500 is more for drag racers and would probably more commonly be purchased in automatic given autos are better for drag racing, but the ATCC is touring car racing on circuits, where the above H-pattern-only Shelby GT350 is surely the more applicable Mustang model?

If it was a Ford GT supercar out there, then by all means I would agree it should have paddle shift like the road car. But it's meant to be a Mustang out there!
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Which is mostly derived from hydrocarbons and requires large amounts of electrical energy to produce. I wonder who would stump up the money to convert the cars? Fuel cells driving electric motors or ICE motors?

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Which is mostly derived from hydrocarbons and requires large amounts of electrical energy to produce. I wonder who would stump up the money to convert the cars? Fuel cells driving electric motors or ICE motors?
Actually some of the new Australian plants are powered via solar/battery so it is classified as GREEN hydrogen, so recognised as renewable.
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Old 14 May 2021, 10:17 (Ref:4051612)   #784
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Which ones and how is it going to be integrated into the series?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/...0experts%20say.

https://reneweconomy.com.au/australi...r-cells-63927/

https://arena.gov.au/projects/?proje...ology=hydrogen

It is easy to say that Hydrogen can be used but a whole other thing to put it into the cars so they can be started and raced. IC motors, electric motors, who pays for it all etc etc.
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Actually some of the new Australian plants are powered via solar/battery so it is classified as GREEN hydrogen, so recognised as renewable.
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Old 14 May 2021, 20:25 (Ref:4051713)   #785
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Will the rumoured mid year Gen 3 launch affect the June prototype testing? I'm very excited for it, hard to believe it's so close!!!
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Old 15 May 2021, 02:56 (Ref:4051732)   #786
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Mid next year.
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Old 15 May 2021, 09:13 (Ref:4051754)   #787
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Will the rumoured mid year Gen 3 launch affect the June prototype testing? I'm very excited for it, hard to believe it's so close!!!
There would have to be a complete chassis ready to test first... at this stage... the base cage/chassis has been built (1x Chev).. with lots more to do...
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And no real likelihood of massive savings in construction. And paddle shifts all but confirmed by Ingall and Morris on their YouTube rant.
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And no real likelihood of massive savings in construction. And paddle shifts all but confirmed by Ingall and Morris on their YouTube rant.
And Whincup had something to say along the same laines a few days ago.
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And Whincup had something to say along the same laines a few days ago.
Why not use mild steel for the chassis instead of chromoly, wouldn't that be a sensible move to drastically cut the cost of building a chassis!?

Mild steel rollcages are more than compliant with Motorsport Australia regulations.
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Here's a controversial suggestion, why not use something very similar to the new Nascars which would surely be cheaper.

Otherwise there are several areas where much cheaper materials could be used with very minimal impact on performance, as in a few kilos here and there.
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Here's a controversial suggestion, why not use something very similar to the new Nascars which would surely be cheaper.
Just use the new NACSAR concept full stop… mustang, camaro and camry ready to go


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Complete with paddle shifting. Why all the angst if gear changing goes to paddles....is the world going to end or the sun rise in the west?
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Here's a controversial suggestion, why not use something very similar to the new Nascars which would surely be cheaper.

Otherwise there are several areas where much cheaper materials could be used with very minimal impact on performance, as in a few kilos here and there.
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NASCAR’s legal team might be in touch.
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Why are Supercars spending all this time and money to develop purpose built Mustang’s & Camaro’s with V8 engines going when a series with purpose built Mustang’s & Camaro’s with V8 engines running already exists....?

The mind boggles..... times were simpler when CAMS ran the ATCC and could just apply an appropriate ruleset to the title....

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NASCAR’s legal team might be in touch.
Do a Bob Jane style deal?

The Repco Cup Series has a nice ring to it.....
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Why are Supercars spending all this time and money to develop purpose built Mustang’s & Camaro’s with V8 engines going when a series with purpose built Mustang’s & Camaro’s with V8 engines running already exists....?
1. Not their idea

2. Self interest. How will T8 subcontract composite parts to India when somebody is already making them? Hard to muscle your way in to an already running series.
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Wow.

Supercars detractors: 888 monopoly! 888 charge too much!

Same detractors: 888 outsource to India

Cognitive dissonance much.

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Agree - not only that but it's set up for Hybrid power adding as well. Could work here with a few tweaks (such as bigger brakes for example).

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If they simply copied yeah but Supercars have had contact with NASCAR for quite a few years so something might be worked out.
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Wow.

Supercars detractors: 888 monopoly! 888 charge too much!

Same detractors: 888 outsource to India

Cognitive dissonance much.

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T8 do have a monopoly on some parts

T8 does outsource to India

T8 do charge too much for said parts (leading some teams to buy parts from ..other sources.)


Let me also say T8 are the class team, easily most professional.
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T8 do have a monopoly on some parts

T8 does outsource to India

T8 do charge too much for said parts (leading some teams to buy parts from ..other sources.)


Let me also say T8 are the class team, easily most professional.
They run a business and want to maximise the return from that business as any sensible person would do. By what measure do they charge too much AKA rip other teams off? If the other teams boycotted the items and bought elsewhere then they would have two choices, lower the price or get out of the supply chain for the series.
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