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31 Oct 2024, 17:52 (Ref:4233200) | #527 | |
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^ also increased tires usage due to higher weight which makes again for more costs
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31 Oct 2024, 18:34 (Ref:4233202) | #528 | |
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Seen a lot of Nick over many years .. whatever way you cut , carve and shape it . The lad is an inspirational character..
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31 Oct 2024, 18:35 (Ref:4233203) | #529 | |
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31 Oct 2024, 19:15 (Ref:4233210) | #530 | ||
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I am also surprised they are dropping the hybrid so soon, right after they seemed to have it working well in terms of the racing. Must admit I am somewhat sceptical about these sustainable fuels as well.
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31 Oct 2024, 19:23 (Ref:4233211) | #531 | |
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Great news dropping the hybrid. Zero need for it in British touring cars. Sustainable fuel is all that’s needed to keep the lefties happy.
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31 Oct 2024, 19:28 (Ref:4233212) | #532 | |
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If any of you like hybrid, don't worry, it's coming to TCR in 2026 (personally I doubt that it will, and if it does it won't come to the UK I reckon.)
TCR announced synthetic fuel for next year a couple of days back (again probably just for WTCR) so they beat BTCC at something by a couple of days!! |
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31 Oct 2024, 20:55 (Ref:4233229) | #533 | |
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Can't wait to see what the complaint is for this coming season now hybrid has gone.
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31 Oct 2024, 21:27 (Ref:4233234) | #534 | ||
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1 Nov 2024, 09:29 (Ref:4233268) | #536 | |
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I had an interesting chat on the phone with an ex-team boss last night while dodging Trick-or-Treaters at the door, according to this knowledgeable fellow...
The hybrid system was originally introduced specifically because a French manufacturer was expressing strong interest since 2018 enter (through its dealer network) on the basis that hybrid was allowed in the championship, the pandemic shelved that and now said Manufacturer has completely abandoned the idea to enter entirely. So no need for hybrid as no other manufacturer has showed interest. |
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1 Nov 2024, 09:41 (Ref:4233271) | #537 | |
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If as many suggest teams were struggling to reach budgets due to the cost of hybrid then it makes sense to drop it. If the current teams all remain and we add the potential for extra cars from PMR WSR and unlimited then we are already close to the limit entry wise with possibly room for one new team or two single car entries should some choose that route . My only concern is that the racing stays as good as this year. Every team as capable of front running pace and the gap between front and bottom of the grid has seldom been smaller . If Hybrid contributed towards this in any way or we see the sort of processions seen in other formulas then it will be the series loss.
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1 Nov 2024, 11:13 (Ref:4233275) | #538 | |
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Ditching hybrid feels like a retrograde step to appease existing parties but to the detriment of new manufacturer support.
Mind you, works teams are but a rose-tinted pipe dream. |
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1 Nov 2024, 11:31 (Ref:4233278) | #539 | |
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Getting rid of the hybrid seems a backward step to me. They should have been looking at following a similar route to F1 where the electrical system is getting more power and capacity over the years and reducing the power needed from the combustion engine.
I get a feeling, that the decision is more related to the system not really delivering the intended design (pit lane on electric, etc) rather than it 'not being needed' - however that sort of knowledge will never become public |
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1 Nov 2024, 11:36 (Ref:4233279) | #540 | |
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I'm glad the hybrid is gone. It was a green washing gimmick that only offered extra weight, complexity and cost.
This is racing. It's never going to be green. The fuel approach is much better IMHO, BTCC might be the pinnacle motorsports championship in the UK but it's not a manufacturer championship now and was getting silly budgets wise. |
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1 Nov 2024, 12:42 (Ref:4233283) | #541 | |
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Anything that reduces costs are vital to the BTCC, otherwise it will be gone as we know it.
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1 Nov 2024, 12:45 (Ref:4233284) | #542 | |
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now I remember that a driver (Sutton ? ) said in interview something like that cars have to be reengineered next year, guess this what he meant
Hybrid essentially a failed and over-expensive experiment to say the least if you can get same results via temporary extra boost much cheaper and simpler |
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1 Nov 2024, 13:31 (Ref:4233287) | #543 | |
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The point I was making was that a public announcement trumped the BTCC in confirming all cars next year will run on the fuel. TCR can say they were first in that sense - but I bet most of the regional championships will still run on normal race fuel. Including UK.
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1 Nov 2024, 15:09 (Ref:4233309) | #544 | |
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1 Nov 2024, 17:54 (Ref:4233322) | #546 | |
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The hybrid was a cost but far from the highest cost for each car. It's not as the budgets will fall from 500k to 300k. I'd be surprised if it dropped the amount a team is asking for by more than 25k.
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1 Nov 2024, 19:07 (Ref:4233326) | #547 | ||
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It certainly didn’t cost £25k to run the hybrid. Probably twice that
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1 Nov 2024, 23:54 (Ref:4233347) | #549 | |
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^ good for you
but nobody should try to shove it down the throat to others who aren't convinced by them |
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