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Old 28 Apr 2020, 23:33 (Ref:3973472)   #166
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There might still be some hope for continuing with the current ruleset in 2021: https://www.motorsport-total.com/dtm...toren-20042803

According to the promoter of the Assen DTM round, Audi will continue to supply engines to private teams and there apparently are two teams (my guess: Abt and Phoenix) that plan on taking them up on that offer.
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Old 28 Apr 2020, 23:58 (Ref:3973474)   #167
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That might be possible for a year, but to what end? This year they were struggling to put together a 16 car grid, which is not nearly enough and it's certainly not going to be any better next year. Don't get me wrong, I really want to see DTM survive, and watch their racing, but I think it's time to move on from the current concept as soon as possible
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Old 29 Apr 2020, 00:27 (Ref:3973481)   #168
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GTE would be a nice idea but how many cars could they run?

Porsche-- obviously build cars for anyone who pays enough but I would guess limited numbers

Ferrari--build cars for anyone who asks but they don't pay to run anything, but they are convertible to GT3

Aston Martin-- similar to Ferrari but doubt there's any money left to help a team

BMW--only running their GTLM car now in IMSA

Corvette--not a real market for them and they VERY rarely sell cars

Plus the cars aren't cheap to buy or run. Sadly I think they would have to end up as a TCR or modded TCR car series. But it appears there's already that series in Germany so why another series?
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Old 29 Apr 2020, 03:41 (Ref:3973494)   #169
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Using GTE cars could create something like the old GT1 Series that ran around 2010 when about 8 manufacturers were represented by 4 cars each. The format (in my opinion) killed that Series off' One hour races with a driver change didn't really seem to work. I think GTE cars would be cheaper than the current DTM cars but there are not a lot of manufacturers in GTE either..
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Old 29 Apr 2020, 08:38 (Ref:3973521)   #170
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I think that the best choice is get back to the origins and convert the categorie on a "sort of" Super-TCR.

-Big 4 door sedan
-Not to many changes from serial cars
-Heavy BOP
-Make the categorie as cheap as possible
-Short sprint races
-Make things easy for private specialist builders.
-If the brans are absolute Hybrid freaks, just let them keep the serial hybrid sistem, but nothing more.

They also need less dependance of brands, if the categorie is cheap enough the brands will came soon or later (like they did on TCR)
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Old 29 Apr 2020, 10:13 (Ref:3973541)   #171
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I've also read the report at Motorsport Total and this gives some hope. Obviously, this wouldn't mean that DTM can carry on with their Class 1 and try and search for a new manufacturers because this is, sadly, utopian. But - this could provide some time and continuity beyond 2020 and this would be a perfect way to think of a 'completely new' DTM for 2022 that would rely on teams with some factory backing, on fast and exciting (maybe hybrid) cars that would be a lot cheaper than current cars.
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Old 29 Apr 2020, 11:27 (Ref:3973566)   #172
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I think the DTM really needs to have a good think about what it wants to be going forwards. If it wants manufacturer involvement, I think that will (sadly) mean adopting a more "eco friendly" engine solution and probably massively reduced costs too. If you dont go down that route, then you will probably need to make it even cheaper and just rely on indies to come and fill the grid, but with what? Whats the ruleset that is offering great racing, fast, powerful cars and is cheap to run?

I'll say it again, the best option that I can see, is if the ITR spoke with Lotti or the FIA or whomever sanctions these things and seek an amendment to the TCR rules to allow technical upgrades to be developed and sold to teams, like a TCR+, but even then, who is going to develop the expensive aero and chassis changes?

The more I think about the more I think the DTM is perhaps just not relevant now, at least in terms of car makers taking part.
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Old 29 Apr 2020, 11:29 (Ref:3973569)   #173
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I like the idea of TCR+. DTM has been about high performance cars, but hey they are still tin tops, so making them look more like the road going car would do no harm in my book
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Old 29 Apr 2020, 12:08 (Ref:3973577)   #174
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I think the DTM really needs to have a good think about what it wants to be going forwards. If it wants manufacturer involvement, I think that will (sadly) mean adopting a more "eco friendly" engine solution and probably massively reduced costs too. If you dont go down that route, then you will probably need to make it even cheaper and just rely on indies to come and fill the grid, but with what? Whats the ruleset that is offering great racing, fast, powerful cars and is cheap to run? ....

The more I think about the more I think the DTM is perhaps just not relevant now, at least in terms of car makers taking part.
I think that DTM has been something of an anachronism for some time, and I think that they knew that, hence why they approached the Japanese for some form of shared architecture. It has been way too expensive and way too insular for some time.

The world has moved on, not least because of the eco agenda but because manufacturers involved in many tin top or GT type racing series have put their £€$¥ behind either one make series or GTE/3/4 or TCR type platforms.
DTM has a place but It is time to a) lower costs b) be more relevant and c) recognise the environmental requirements.
If it wants a unique place but retain manufacturer interest it could somehow clothe a Formula E drivetrain underneath similar silhouettes to the current cars or,
It could develop the Italian V8 Superstars theme with a modified TCR type philosophy adapted for the larger RWD cars or it could do something like that with some form of hybrid element shared with the forthcoming BTCC cars as well.
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Old 30 Apr 2020, 16:11 (Ref:3973821)   #175
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It will be sad to see the demise of the DTM series, really incredible cars. As someone heading towards mid 50s I despair at seeming to be herded in a direction towards bland sterile motorsport. For me motorsport should be loud, fast and with cars that push boundaries.

Hybrid and particularly electric motorsport fills me with dread, lets face it who's really excited about formula E?

I know its manufacturer led and about appealing to the public will the goal of selling more cars, but for me, I don't see the point of paying my money to see a large version of scalextric on a circuit. Motorsport is about skill, noise and presence, if this direction of travel continues how long is it before there is no drag racing, thundersaloons or nascar because its no longer relevant?
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Old 30 Apr 2020, 19:10 (Ref:3973873)   #176
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If it wants a unique place but retain manufacturer interest it could somehow clothe a Formula E drivetrain underneath similar silhouettes to the current cars
that's indeed a very logical idea
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Old 30 Apr 2020, 22:48 (Ref:3973886)   #177
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that's indeed a very logical idea
I think theres a huge opportunity for the first series that can make fully electric cars work in the touring car format.

Electric TCR are ahead of the game now but their weird rallycross trials style format won't fit proper track racing, and they are all hatchbacks.

I could imagine electric versions of the DTM format car being a great idea, great looks, modern tech, and most importantly- shells that look like the car you can go buy at the dealership. I cant imagine you would struggle for manufacturer interest if you can get it right, at the right time.
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Old 3 Jun 2020, 11:16 (Ref:3979954)   #178
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New Schedule:
10.07 - 12.07 - Norisring
01.08 - 02.08 - Spa
14.08 - 16.08 - Lausitzring
21.08 - 23.08 - Lausitzring
04.09 - 06.09 - Assen
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Old 3 Jun 2020, 12:45 (Ref:3979973)   #179
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Good calendar and good damage limitation, I mean it's sad to see Anderstorp and Monza go, especially given it could've been the last chance for DTM to go there, but at least there are still ten rounds on great tracks. Shame that instead of the second Lausitzring there's no Oschersleben. And it could be something different instead of two Zolder rounds but in these circumstances it is understandable. Btw great to see DTM go back to Spa. I also hope Norisring opener will come to fruition, this could be great to have it as a season opener although at Norisring the lack of people on grandstands will be the most visible.
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Old 3 Jun 2020, 13:35 (Ref:3979983)   #180
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Every cloud has a silver lining, in this case a return to Spa. Zolder is a decent track, that can produce some good racing. But Spa will be something else
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