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2 May 2001, 14:43 (Ref:87986) | #1 | |
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New sprint race format official!!!
Folks,
See http://tocatour.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=407 It's official! Before anyone jumps to criticise, how about giving it a chance or three? (like the rest of this year's BTCC!!!) |
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2 May 2001, 14:49 (Ref:87989) | #2 | |
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Just thought...
So what if a Production car is first past the flag? Surely the points will still be separated between the classes? So, if for example... 1. James Kaye (Production) 2. Yvan Muller (Touring 3. Steve Soper (Touring) 4. Simon Harrison (Production) 5. James Thompson (Touring) 6. John B&Q (Production) Then the championship points would be awarded like this... 1. James Kaye (Production) 2. Simon Harrison (Production) 3. John B&Q (Production) *AND* 1. Yvan Muller (Touring 2. Steve Soper (Touring) 3. James Thompson (Touring) Surely it's the only sensible way?!?! Can anyone point me to the rules where this is explained? |
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2 May 2001, 17:20 (Ref:88025) | #3 | ||
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Here's the press release:
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2 May 2001, 17:36 (Ref:88031) | #4 | |
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Right, time to get the calculator out.
From the last Thruxton test the fastest BTC-T car was Plato @ 1m 17.704s, the fastest BTC-P Moen @ 1m 22.130s. Lets forget the tenths for now so call it 1:17 and 1:22. 15 laps @ 1m 22s = 20m 30s 16 laps @ 1m 17s = 20m 32s + 12 sec delay = 20m 44s Now I know not every lap will be that pace but how much time will be lost overtaking the slower cars on lap 1 and lapping them again on laps 13/14/15/16 ? This could be interesting ! Last edited by redshoes; 2 May 2001 at 17:38. |
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2 May 2001, 17:40 (Ref:88034) | #5 | ||
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Hang on a minute - isn't that delay for the Production cars making them slower than the touring cars?
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2 May 2001, 17:48 (Ref:88037) | #6 | |
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<memo to self: read slowly next time>
oh yeah, ok then 15 laps @ 1m 22s = 20m 30s + 12 sec delay = 20m 42s 16 laps @ 1m 17s = 20m 32s The Tourers are still going to have to work hard not to lose 8 secs in traffic Last edited by redshoes; 2 May 2001 at 17:52. |
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20m 42s - 20m 32s = 10 secs not 8!!! but nice try anyway. What gets me is why? Are they going to give extra points to Production cars that beat Touring cars? In this senario the P. cars just move over and let the T cars through - they are still not racing each other! It doesn't matter where the first T car finish - he still gets full points! |
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2 May 2001, 18:07 (Ref:88044) | #8 | ||
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I do finance and I'm confused!
Does this also mean that we have one less race on the day? Suppose your right runnyhunny wait until after the race at Thruxton to see how it goes |
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2 May 2001, 18:22 (Ref:88045) | #9 | |
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Les, it was 8 sec when I though 30 + 12 was 40. Spotted and edited that mistake but not the other one. Still, I showed my working out so I still get marks for the. Double A-level maths and I still can't do simply adding and subtracting.
Woody, yes and no. We get 2 instead of 3 BTCC races but they've added an extra support race - see http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=9459 |
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2 May 2001, 22:46 (Ref:88131) | #10 | ||
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I take it this "new format" will dissapear as soon as the BTCT entry list is boosted?
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3 May 2001, 13:30 (Ref:88335) | #11 | |
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Desperate
Desperate............
Very Very Desperate............... What next I wonder ??????? |
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3 May 2001, 18:10 (Ref:88427) | #12 | ||
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Can I sign up RIGHT NOW for runnyhuny's result 6th overall and third in class would be absolutely ripping!!!!!!! Yes I would like to win, but we are alittle down on power at pres, (No I'm Not making excuses).... I think the marketing people call it "managing expectations"
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3 May 2001, 18:37 (Ref:88446) | #13 | |
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John,
I thought you'd like my example, but I'm sorry - I don't/can't do requests! :-) More seriously: Do you know how the points scoring will work? Out of interest, why does your Honda Integra have a 1.8 litre engine and not a 2.0 litre? |
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3 May 2001, 19:07 (Ref:88461) | #14 | ||
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I assume that the point scoring will work as previously set up i.e points will count first in the overall result of the championship and then second in the class result to the class b championship. But as the whole thing is new (and I do like the idea) we are waiting for details prior to the race.
We run a 1.8 because that was the car as homologated. It isn't really a problem, apart from Thruxton which exposes the overall deficit. |
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3 May 2001, 19:57 (Ref:88477) | #15 | |
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A thought just struck me - we are missing one very important factor. Every race involving BTC-P cars so far this year has involved the safety car. Throw that in at any point in the race, even for just a lap, and all those careful thought out calculations go out of the window.
Hmm, a Peugeot to win the sprint race maybe. A red Peugeot that is |
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3 May 2001, 21:19 (Ref:88505) | #16 | ||
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Or a yellow Focus
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4 May 2001, 09:22 (Ref:88750) | #17 | ||
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Or a Bawell Honda!
Anyway, i think its a bad idea-i think if the BTCC WANTS TO BE TAKEN SERIUOSLY IT SHOULDN'T HAVE 'FAIRGROUNBD' IDEAS WHICH ONLY CONFUSE THINGS AND IF A SAFETY CAR COMES OUT IT DEFEATS THE WHole object. They should have had a combined sprint race but a conventional race. i.e. all BTCT and BTCP cars start in the order they qualified (we'll still get some BTCP Pugs/Focus' etc. ahead of JSM and ABG) and then 15 laps for both BTCT and BTCP. Definately. |
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4 May 2001, 12:58 (Ref:88852) | #18 | |
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Yes, quite right - safety is stupid.
Let the buggers die ! |
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4 May 2001, 13:15 (Ref:88865) | #19 | ||
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Know the future read my posts!!!!
Did I tell you or what! See my post of 26th April in the Matt and Pug split thread.
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7 May 2001, 21:21 (Ref:89987) | #20 | |
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TOCA held a brief press conference about this on Monday. Unfortunely I missed the first part but the basic idea was that the one thing everyone has been complaining about was the BTCT sprint and whilst this isn't a long term solution it was clear that something needed to be done. Things like reverse grids were considered but never seriously. The Production teams I spoke to said that they agreed to it for the best interests of the series as a whole, and hoped it would mean them getting more coverage into the bargain.
One thing which threw me at first was the rules if a safety car is called out. Instead of picking up the leading Tourer it will pick up the leading Production car. Why, well because at that point the Production field is actually in the lead. Confused? Well although the Tourers and Productions have both done the same number of laps the Productions have one less lap to do so are closer to the end of the race. Think about it, it took me a minute as well. Another point of interest - the extra BMW Challenge race. The series organiser was telephone on Tuesday and asked to put a race together for Monday. 21 cars in less than a week is pretty impressive. |
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