Ralt RT21

[ken herd]

As an owner of a RT21 I wondered if there are any more of us around. There were only 7 chasiss built I believe, most ended up in Australia, but I have been unable to find out who may own them now.
Any help would be appreciated.

[John Turner]

Warm welcome, Ken! I'm moving this into the main forum to start with as it will probably get more 'viewers'. Are you able to give us the chassis number and the known history of your car?

[chunterer]

The RT21 was the 1987 F3000 chassis IIRC?

I can remember 2 works Honda cars driven by Moreno and Gugelmin and 2 Pavesi cars driven by Martini and Barilla.

I'd hazard a guess that the factory probably built 2 more chassis as spares for the Honda team so that leaves the 7th??!!

[Bryan Miller]

I can help with 3 of them , the two Pavesi cars came to Australia , one for Simon Kane , current whereabouts unknown , probably in hillclimbs or similar , the other car owned by Dave Mawer , driven by many people , John Smith , Rohan Onslow , Elwyn Bickley , Warwick Rooklyn and others , this car is now owned by Ross Hodgson in Sydney.
Apparently another car turned up in Japan with Arrows , dressed up as a promotional car to look like an Arrows , then purchased by a gent in Japan , and then he found out what he really had and via Graham Watson [ Ralt Aust.] agent all the vast quantities of excess spares still held by Dave Mawer were sold to Japan to put the car back to original spec.
Ch .no. of the Hodgson car to follow.

Bryan Miller.

[allenbrown]

According to F1R:

87-1, 87-2 and 87-3 works
87-4 GEM Motorsport
87-5 and 87-6 Pavesi
87-7 Bromley Motorsport

[Dan Rear]

The RT21, other than the works Honda cars, never really worked did it, whereas the RT20s from 1986 were all excellent.

[chunterer]

Yeah that was a bit odd. Perhaps the car worked better with the Honda engine than the DFV and may have even been designed with that engine's installation in mind? Perhaps not...

Piero Martini was pretty useful with the car but Pavesi didn't really get them going the same as they did in '86?

[Bryan Miller]

Ross Hodgson's car is 87-6 , car and owner located in Sydney

Bryan.

[petersracin]

Kens car is the Dean Irwin car that won the Silver Star in 1997.

Ian

[petersracin]

Also Ken, wasnt that a RT21 that Neville Wills owned that had a big shunt in a club race at Mallala?

heres one of their results

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/re.../1999.MALL.R10

This used to be run by Rob Nichols out of the workshop in Adelaide where my RT4 was.

Ian

[ken herd]

Thanks guys, this is the best forum I have come across so far.
My RT21 was a Pavesi car no. 875. It was brought to australia in 1988 for Simon Kane. He won the Gold star in 1990, and Ian is quite right, Dean Irwin won the silver star in 1997. The only other owner was Peter Brennan who raced in in 1994.

Ken

[ken herd]

Thanks Bryan, could I get those contact details of the Hodgson car ?

Ken

[Bryan Miller]

Ken,

We new that one of the other cars was Simon Kane's , however couldn't figure out where it was now.
Ross Hodgson is my accountant , so will let him contact you. P.M. me your email no.

Bryan , p.s. Ross thinks there was a 3rd car here somewhere.

[ken herd]

Thanks Bryan, my email is seamtec@internode.on.net

cheers ken

[ken herd]

Hi Ian, no the car was never raced in 1999, or ownwed by Wills, it was at Cantech till 2003.
But I think there was another one in Adelaide, possibly the car raced by Alby Gallagher. ken

[William Dale Jr]

According to the results sheets I have, there were at least 4 RT21s in Australia for the start of Formula Holden in 1989. One for John Briggs, one for Tony Blanche, one for Simon Kane, and the other was the Dave Mawer car.

The Simon Kane car was also driven by Neil Crompton, in a one-off drive at the 1991 AGP meeting, where he finished second.

The Tony Blanche car became one half of the Thalgo-backed team in 1990-91, and was driven by Blanche, Mark Larkham and Mark McLaughlin.

The Dave Mawer car was driven by various drivers, including Elwyn Bickley (at it's first race), John Smith (who damaged the car very badly in an practice accident at the Phillip Island round in 1990), sports sedan racer Keith Carling, and Rohan Onslow.

I can't find any record of anyone other than John Briggs driving the John Briggs car

Oddly enough, I can't find any record of all four cars appearing in the same race until the 1991 AGP meeting (however, I don't have results from the 1989 AGP meeting).


Also, as a sidenote, I was watching my tape of the first FH race today, and John Smith (who was guest commentating) mentioned that Rohan Onslow's RT20 was an ex-Pavesi car.

[driftwood]

Pavesi had often run F3000 Ralt chassis
the last RT22 they had was sold last year
Im sure i have a pair of RT20 or 21 sidpods in my shed white with Zytek logo on them

[jason arnold]

What type of engine is this car running.

Regards
Jason

[driftwood]

which car?

[Tony C]

Originally Posted by William Dale Jr

According to the results sheets I have, there were at least 4 RT21s in Australia for the start of Formula Holden in 1989. One for John Briggs, one for Tony Blanche, one for Simon Kane, and the other was the Dave Mawer car.

The Simon Kane car was also driven by Neil Crompton, in a one-off drive at the 1991 AGP meeting, where he finished second.

The Tony Blanche car became one half of the Thalgo-backed team in 1990-91, and was driven by Blanche, Mark Larkham and Mark McLaughlin.

The Dave Mawer car was driven by various drivers, including Elwyn Bickley (at it's first race), John Smith (who damaged the car very badly in an practice accident at the Phillip Island round in 1990), sports sedan racer Keith Carling, and Rohan Onslow.

I can't find any record of anyone other than John Briggs driving the John Briggs car

Oddly enough, I can't find any record of all four cars appearing in the same race until the 1991 AGP meeting (however, I don't have results from the 1989 AGP meeting).


Also, as a sidenote, I was watching my tape of the first FH race today, and John Smith (who was guest commentating) mentioned that Rohan Onslow's RT20 was an ex-Pavesi car.

If my memory is correct, the briggs car was converted by K&A engineering, this car became the second Thalgo car beside Blanche, briggs car was driven by Larko at Winton. The Blanche car was converted by Graham Watson at Ralt Australia. Simon Kanes car and Dave Mawers were jointly converted by myself, Elwyn Bickley and Dave Mawer.

Onlows RT20 was a Pavesi car, owned by Peter Boylan, was later driven by Neil Crompton in Dulux colours.

Smithy crashed Dave Mawers car twice, once at Philip Island and also at Amaroo, which required a new tub.

At the time 1989/90 the shortage of spares required we all work together to keep the cars on the track. In 89 at Winton Simon Kane left the road at the esses before the old main straight and went straight into about a foot of water. The water filled the sidepods, ripped them off the car, split the undertray clean in half. The car looked a mess but Dave Mawer stripped all the parts off his car in Sydney, Elwyn Bickley drove them down to Winton over night, and we had the car back on the track the next morning. Good teamwork and mateship.

[wolseley]

Hello, i have been trying to search information on my dad's Ralt. The chassis number is :21-877 so i'm guessing its the 87-7 one.....
would i be correct?
It has a Holden V6 in it....

[driftwood]

I will look in my book for info
i may have some rt20 or 21 bodywork poss sidpeods engine cover
i do have rt22 wishbones
i have 2 rear ralt f3000 wheels that some has redrilled 4 street car stud holes into- im sure they can be salvaged to use maybe for wet tyres or travel wheels
i have lots of f3000 rear wing elements from that period

[ken herd]

Originally Posted by driftwood

I will look in my book for info
i may have some rt20 or 21 bodywork poss sidpeods engine cover
i do have rt22 wishbones
i have 2 rear ralt f3000 wheels that some has redrilled 4 street car stud holes into- im sure they can be salvaged to use maybe for wet tyres or travel wheels
i have lots of f3000 rear wing elements from that period

Would it be possible to get an image emailed of the engine cover? also do you have any front wing elements

[driftwood]

RT21 87-7 Bromley Motorsport eliseo salazar later races cor euser

1 2 3 Ralt racing Moreno & Gugelmin
4 GEM gary evans
5 Pavesi
6 pavesi
8

[markmcl]

i am pretty sure that the rt20 rowan drove is not the crompton car .I am sure that steve knott and maurice rissman coverted the onslow car.