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4 Mar 2003, 15:49 (Ref:524566)
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Mad max in the JML Panoz...
Well, folks, Panoz's chance at a *really good* overall finish at Sebring just shot up a couple of notches yesterday.
It was announced that Max Papis will drive for the JML Panoz "semi-factory" team at this years 12 hour enduro. With Papis at the wheel, I think we're going to see some really exciting things coming out of the race. Anyone who can control a Champ car the way he was capable deserves a look. Any thoughts? |
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4 Mar 2003, 16:02 (Ref:524577)
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*beats head on wall*...
Whoops. My mistake folks. Papis will be driving for JML at Mexico and Le Mans, not at Sebring. I'm going to go learn to read again. *commences banging head on wall again* |
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4 Mar 2003, 16:11 (Ref:524582)
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"Mad Max" is a hard-charger with a ton of talent...
But Brabham and Magnussen have tons of talent, too...they carried the Panoz on their backs the past couple of years. the driver can only carry the equipment so far with superior driving skills and daring moves....Max may end up very frustrated this June... |
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4 Mar 2003, 16:58 (Ref:524603)
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I'm sure Max will do well -- he has always been very good in sports cars -- but I hope he manages to avoid opening his mouth and opining that "Sports cars need me more than I need them" or Don Panoz will invite him out the door that he showed Boris Said.
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4 Mar 2003, 20:39 (Ref:524812)
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What does strike me is how perilously late JML are leaving their driver selection. Sebring looms large, and so far we have Beretta/Jeanette/Papis, and, er... no-one. No hurry, lads, but pick a goddamn' driver!
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4 Mar 2003, 21:23 (Ref:524864)
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Great to see Max has a ride, but I miss the old lineup already.
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4 Mar 2003, 22:00 (Ref:524909)
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Yes, but Brabs and Magnussen were worthy of more. Either deserves/deserved a CART seat, and Magnussen will be fantastic if he gets the fulltime JMR seat this season.
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4 Mar 2003, 23:21 (Ref:525034)
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4 Mar 2003, 23:30 (Ref:525042)
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You said it Tim, he's gonna hate it. He probably can turn some fast laps in the Roadster, but it would take years before any driver could be a deciding factor in that car.
I've said that the Panoz is now just grid filler. Then you stick a fan favorite, like Papis, in the car and people look at it. Dash cunning there, Dr. Don. I love that guy! Keeping the sportscar world booming! |
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5 Mar 2003, 19:27 (Ref:525954)
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If Panoz needs drivers, I'll suggest a few....
Alex Barron (he has helmet in hand and no ride anywhere -- why I do not know) for a season-long seat.... For Sebring: |
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5 Mar 2003, 19:30 (Ref:525957)
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Sorry-hit the tab button...
For Sebring: Scott Sharp (No IRL that weekend -- he's fast!) Helio Castroneves (who lives in Miami - No IRL) Eddie Cheever (a "Rumored for Le Mans" on Lists) Pick 2 of the three with Alex and that team would at least drive the wheels off the other Panoz that weekend... |
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5 Mar 2003, 20:20 (Ref:525992)
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Good picks, Tim.
Cheever's got Le Mans experience, Sharp's been to Daytona a few times and proven *very* fast a consistent, and Castroneves has been a threat every time he ever got into a Champ car. (I don't know about his IRL results...don't care to watch the series) |
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5 Mar 2003, 20:52 (Ref:526005)
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ZXK, you had it right the first time - Sebring, Mexico, and Le Mans. (See www.maxpapis.com for the announcement)
If what I'm hearing is correct, the drivers for the second car have been chosen. I know who one is (but can't say), which suggests to me that the picks listed above aren't in play. |
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5 Mar 2003, 21:29 (Ref:526043)
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Those were just a few "Maybe take a look at" guys, but only Alex Barron would be open for driving multiple races (except for Eddie C. after Indy, but he's plenty busy as an IRL car owner to be jumping around on driving stints) and Alex is the only one free at this time on Le Mans weekend...
Any single player on that list stands a snowball's chance in Hell of becoming a reality on anybody's team, but all four would sure give the fans their money's worth, and their competition something to either worry about in their mirrors or follow around the track...depending on how good their equipment would be... |
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5 Mar 2003, 21:37 (Ref:526050)
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All i remember about Max is when he spun at the entry to Bridge corner at Silverstone in the Arrows a few years ago, right infront of me.
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5 Mar 2003, 21:53 (Ref:526073)
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5 Mar 2003, 21:55 (Ref:526075)
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I wonder why Don Panoz dropped Bill Auberlen. Bill had proved his worth as a factory BMW driver - great flip, BTW - and now finds himself in the Speed World Challenge with PTG! I grant you that these days an M3 is about as quick as a Panoz, but still...
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5 Mar 2003, 22:49 (Ref:526107)
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The Roadster didn't complement Auberlen. In fact, he was down right slow. It just reinforces my point that it takes years to be able to drive effectively in the Roadster. That's why Brabs and Mags made it work.
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6 Mar 2003, 14:45 (Ref:526633)
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Since we're talking former Panoz drivers...
Bryan Herta was announced as a pilot for the Nasamax LMP 900.. The "Green Machine" Reynard with the enthanol-cosworth power.... NOTE: I'm assuming Panoz used the same reasoning for releasing Herta and Auberlen as they did for Magnussen and Brabham... They said last fall that they would not have a "Factory effort" and did not want these guys to be tied into something they were not going to spend time developing this season when they could get rides elsewhere |
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7 Mar 2003, 00:12 (Ref:527163)
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Maybe they released those guys because they refused to drive an out of date car.
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7 Mar 2003, 18:08 (Ref:527965)
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I think the reason was probably more $$$ than anything else.
Hopefully Mad Max will come to grips with the Roadster quickly. Gunnar already has good pace in the car. It will be nice to see him actually racing! He was so fast at Le Mans last year... 
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7 Mar 2003, 19:21 (Ref:528028)
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7 Mar 2003, 21:32 (Ref:528122)
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No argument here that he has the skills to carry a car beyond its capabilities.....
How far can he carry that Panoz chassis that will seem to have little, if any new development as a privateer program...and when they were a "Factory Car" they never met the hype and expectations set for them... I will say this....when he's fdriving, the fans will get their money's worth...he's definitely fast... |
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7 Mar 2003, 21:36 (Ref:528125)
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 Seems as though they will do Sebring and LeMans, and then determine IF they will do anything further after that. |
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