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Old 25 Jul 2017, 11:04 (Ref:3754208)   #91
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Unless a new manufacturer joins, this is not good. DTM has managed to keep the grid numbers reasonable, with Merc out it will dwindle very badly. The other alternative is BMW and Audi add in more cars
They could also switch to a multi-class-format with GT3/GT4/TCR cars making up the numbers.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 11:05 (Ref:3754209)   #92
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They could also switch to a multi-class-format with GT3/GT4/TCR cars making up the numbers.


Probably the best option ATM, especially seen as DTM to me is a cross between GT and tin top
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 11:35 (Ref:3754216)   #93
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According to Motorsport Magazin it is not possible to run with two manufacturers only.
Also I can't see DTM going multi class, I doubt it will be on agenda.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 11:45 (Ref:3754221)   #94
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They could also switch to a multi-class-format with GT3/GT4/TCR cars making up the numbers.
ADAC already has GT Masters (GT3) and a TCR series, and both in very good health. Why would they want to combine those as a DTM replacement ?
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 11:47 (Ref:3754222)   #95
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The last time we were in a situation like this (back in the 1997-1999 interregnum when it became clear that Supertouring was just as unsustainable as the original class 1), people came up with all kinds of crazy and creative ideas on how to fill the void at the top of the German (and to a lesser degree: European) racing landscape. In the end, none of them really succeeded, but I am pretty sure people will throw a lot of sh*t at the wall over the next 2 or 3 years to see what sticks.

And just like back then the solution to the problem doesn't necessarily have to be a touring car series at all. Back in 1999 Willy Weber came tantalizingly close to launching EUROC, a series for front-engined open top sports prototypes with manufacturer specific engines and bodywork but spec chassis. Similarly, I can see people trying to fill the void left by DTM this time around with DPis, Indycars or even a national version of Formula E.


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ADAC already has GT Masters (GT3) and a TCR series, and both in very good health. Why would they want to combine those as a DTM replacement ?
Well, I'm not saying they would combine them. "Raid" might be the better term. As for the motivation for teams joining DTM rather than staying in their home series: ADAC GT is still the rather amateurish two-driver/fixed-time pitstops format, so I could see a number of teams interested in a straight up single driver format. Probably not the majority, but they might be able to come up with a ten car GT3-field.

As for TCR: ADAC TCR is oversubscribed, so one might argue that there's a demand for more places to run these cars in Germany, especially with a credible TV package.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 12:26 (Ref:3754226)   #96
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ADAC GT is still the rather amateurish two-driver/fixed-time pitstops format
That's not amateurish - a two-driver race with minimum pit-stop time is pretty much standard for every national GT3 series.

Again, why would ADAC 'raid' cars from other series, and potentially deplete those series, just to prop up an otherwise dead series.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 12:43 (Ref:3754229)   #97
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That's not amateurish - a two-driver race with minimum pit-stop time is pretty much standard for every national GT3 series.

Again, why would ADAC 'raid' cars from other series, and potentially deplete those series, just to prop up an otherwise dead series.
DTM is not an ADAC series, at least not in the same way as ADAC GT and TCR.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 12:59 (Ref:3754236)   #98
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I just had a chat with Gary Paffett about his thoughts on Mercedes' withdrawal. Here's what he had to say:

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/spor...itive-13382487
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 13:03 (Ref:3754238)   #99
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As for FE; I still struggle to understand the hold it has over the Manufacturers. It gets far too much coverage for what it is..
CSR.

Seen to be doing good.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 13:04 (Ref:3754239)   #100
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When BT got the rights I basically stopped as there wasn't good coverage I could see. This year I've got back into it as I can watch the youtube streams and it is good, top class racing.
Agreed, YouTube has helped me get into the DTM currently and the racing has been excellent this season on the whole.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 13:12 (Ref:3754242)   #101
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18 months to get another manufacturer and resolve the 2019 ruleset. Tough times, but I believe (hope) not impossible as some posts make out.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 13:17 (Ref:3754244)   #102
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If the Audi and BMW wants to continue, they could enter 8-8 or 10-10 cars like Audi and Mercedes did earlier.

In 2 years they can switch to full SuperGT compatible technical rules, so they can open the doors for the japanese factories.

They also can open the doors with some kind of BoP system between the german atmospheric and japanese turbo engines, but this could work only inshort term imho.
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 13:20 (Ref:3754248)   #103
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I think they should just treat 2018 as a stopgap, before making the big changes for 2019, with hopefully more makes on the grid
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If the regs stay stable, could privateers run the C63s into 2019?
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Old 25 Jul 2017, 13:50 (Ref:3754254)   #105
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I think they need public guaranteed commitment to Class 1 from the German teams, hand in hand with a public commitment from at least one Japanese team to race in Europe, with a reciprocal commitment being important, but less urgent.

Anything other than that, and DTM will cease to exist as a "top level" manufacturer backed series.. and if it's not that... what'll it have that GT3, GT4 or TCR don't?
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