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Old 31 Jul 2011, 17:55 (Ref:2934103)   #1
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Points per 6 hour?

Its the first time ive heard of this but in the Blancpain endurance 24 hour at Spa they had a system where after 6 hours the leader board was frozen and the cars awarded points at the 6 horu mark. Then im assuming after another six hours the same thing was done.. Correct me if im wrong im unfamiliar.

But i though it was a genius idea. Personally i want to see it used at Lemans for all the classes.. then suddenly there's incentive to race the other cars for position in and enduro rather than just get to 2 hrs remaining in a 24 hour race and then go racing.

Then thered be no teams lagging behind trying to wait for everyone else to falter. Thats boring to watch. Anyone else wanna see this rule at Lemans?
It would certainly be fun to watch. Especially in the GT category.
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Old 31 Jul 2011, 18:03 (Ref:2934109)   #2
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Speed-King should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSpeed-King should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSpeed-King should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridSpeed-King should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
On the other hand, a car could be rather dominant and have a 1 minute lead for most of the race, but lose out on top of the hour because they are on another pit sequence than some contenders, who then slip by for a few minutes until their own stops...
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Old 31 Jul 2011, 18:07 (Ref:2934112)   #3
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but as long as the teams know the rule is in place theyre going to adjust theyre strategy so they're not pitting on 5hours and 59 minutes into the race
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Old 31 Jul 2011, 19:41 (Ref:2934158)   #4
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They've been doing this since the race was part of FIA GT champ'.
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Old 31 Jul 2011, 20:04 (Ref:2934169)   #5
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Yes, it took about two pages of the GTR2 manual to explain it . It was 50% points after six hours, 50% after twelve and 100% at the end of the race for a total of 200% points.

I like the idea, but I'm not sure how exactly I would do it for Le Mans though. In the WEC, 25 points will be on offer for all races apart from Le Mans, which will be 50 (I agree with that, but if Sebring or another 12 hour race were to form part of the calendar I'd hand out 50 points for that and 75 for Le Mans). 12 and 24 hour races could justify intermediate bonuses, but not anything shorter really (although possibly a bonus after an hour might be an interesting idea).
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Sorry to say but I really hate it, why award points for mediocrity? It's supposed to be AN ENDURANCE EVENT and tough for everybody, in order to gain something you must finish first.

But I suppose it fits BoP-GT3 since half of the field is likely to hit mechanical gremlins or safety barriers way before finish line anyway
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Old 1 Aug 2011, 03:56 (Ref:2934288)   #7
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Sorry to say but I really hate it, why award points for mediocrity? It's supposed to be AN ENDURANCE EVENT and tough for everybody, in order to gain something you must finish first.

But I suppose it fits BoP-GT3 since half of the field is likely to hit mechanical gremlins or safety barriers way before finish line anyway
Mediocrity? could you expand on this a little more..i dont quite understand.


What Mediocrity have you seen from the top entries at Lemans....Audi vs Peugeot, Porsche vs ferrari vs bmw vs corvette. Sarrazin vs Mcnish vs Bergmeister vs Magnussen vs Hand vs Melo..hardly mediocre.....in fact its the exact opposite.
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Old 1 Aug 2011, 05:37 (Ref:2934295)   #8
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No, I don't like it.

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Old 1 Aug 2011, 05:42 (Ref:2934298)   #9
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Do you want "leading" or racing.....we all know that most teams are complacent and just want to wait for attrition to play its part...Thats boring. Atleast give the guys an incentive to actually race during he race.

it doesnt even have to be many points......maybe just 5 points to the leading guy and 4 for 2nd and 2 for 3rdplace......

i want it small enought so that it doesnt create a large gap for the car that leads the entire race while not too small so its worthless and the guys dont race for it.

in addition finally someone who has lead the entire race but gets take out by a P2 car on the final lap gets some points.
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Old 1 Aug 2011, 05:53 (Ref:2934301)   #10
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The point of a 24 hour race is to actually finish that 24 hours, not earn points that you may just be taking away from someone else with this silly 6 hour mark thing if you were to crash out.

As it looks to me, Chiana means mediocrity in the form of the GT3 cars and how most are generally unrealiable. Some cars started from the pits at Spa and ended up in the top 5, those unreliable cars were mediocre indeed. (Correct me if I'm wrong but thats how it looks.)
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Old 1 Aug 2011, 06:24 (Ref:2934309)   #11
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I like the idea of there being no reward unless a team finishes. Then, if they finish, they get double points. It really reinforces the endurance aspect of the race. Plus, we have enough trouble as it is with the difference classes not respecting each other. Changing the point structure can only make the problem worse. I know patience isn't as entertaining, but I don't think any of us want to be "entertained" by the crashes we saw this year again.
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Do you want "leading" or racing.....we all know that most teams are complacent and just want to wait for attrition to play its part...Thats boring. Atleast give the guys an incentive to actually race during he race.

it doesnt even have to be many points......maybe just 5 points to the leading guy and 4 for 2nd and 2 for 3rdplace......

i want it small enought so that it doesnt create a large gap for the car that leads the entire race while not too small so its worthless and the guys dont race for it.

in addition finally someone who has lead the entire race but gets take out by a P2 car on the final lap gets some points.
But you act like the cars are just cruising around doing nothing. I'll take P1 for example. They no longer can do that.

2007 (won by 10 laps)
2008 (2nd place on same lap)
2009 (2nd place within 1:30)
2010 (2nd place 1 lap down) (Peugeot #1 blew up just over 3 hours left while being on the same lap, so your 6 hour points wouldn't apply anyways)
2011 (2nd place 13 seconds behind)

I don't know if you watch the Eurosport broadcasts at all, but their point is that the days of running off and trying to break the other cars is over. We'll probably never see a 2007 10 lap margin of victory again. So the cars are already pushing hard for 24 hours.
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They've been doing this since the race was part of FIA GT champ'.
Yeah indeed nothing new here.

Whilst most might seem opposed to it I think awarding points at six hour intervals has its merits. Say for example you were leading your class from start til just after halfway through the race (just over 12hrs) and you were then taken out by someone else by no fault of your own at least you'd get a consolation prize for your efforts, especially if leaving the race wasnt your fault.

I can see why people dont want the points system included like this but I think it works for 24hrs race that are part of a championship like Blancpain or FIA GT in the good old days.

I wouldnt want to see it at Le Mans (and ILMC) though, thats a different kettle of fish. Le Mans is Le Mans.
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Old 1 Aug 2011, 12:20 (Ref:2934477)   #14
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I think its a realy cool system, because it pushes the cars to race from the start to the finish, and not lag behind and wait for those infront to crash/breakdown.... If you think about it a little more it is even better for endurance, because if a car does good in the 6h and 12h mark and wins the 24h it means it was driving like a bat out of hell and still finished the race.....
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Old 1 Aug 2011, 17:49 (Ref:2934626)   #15
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It encourages people to actually finish and push hard till the end knowing anything can happen.....

Remember back in (09 i believe) when the Risi ferrari broke the radiator running over the kerbs......And then Guiseppe basically said we have nothing to gain so where just going to reetire the car? yep he said that...
would he have don that if he knew Ferrari would score points for his car running at the 18hr mark. Heck no he wouldnt have.

Im not sure if anyone is afraid of change lol but it actually does sound like a fantastic idea.

Knowing that the teams will be trying to be in the lead at all oparts of the race and not just at the end.



Heres the defacto example of the rule being in place vs the rule not being in place.......

At Lemans: BMW's get punctures etc... and go 2 laps down...They basically give up and run pretty poultry lap times in the 4.03 range compared to the 3.57's they were cracking in qualifying(they resigned)......

At Spa(6 hour rule in place)......The 98 Audi loses second gear and then sits in garage for a while and goes 30 laps down..... Piccini, Rocky,and Fassler come out GUNS BlAZING.....setting race lap records at a 2.20.2(??!!bonkers lol)...and motor there way back from 28th spot up to 14th spot in the end(3-4 retirements helped).

you get where im going right?

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