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MP's comments that he could "do it for $250k" is a joke. If it takes V8Supercars coming to get the local council to invest in the track and improve it permanently and for all users, who is going to complain except someone who thinks the money would be better spent on them? Basically MP opened his mouth, inserted his foot, and has been relieved of his position as a result. |
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Why is MP comments a joke? If he can do it for $250K then why cant he say it? I dont understand the train of thought that MP cant openly speak about government expenditure on motorsport? Wasn't it V8SA who withdrew from Pukekohe never to return a few years ago? With such commitment from them it seems very odd to back them so extensively with $10 million worth of funding. Can you blame MP for asking the question? |
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V8SC is a series with international appeal and well known stars, so you're comparing apples to oranges. Sure V8ST could run an event for $250k but what would it achieve? Comparing it to a V8SC event that has been enough to get the local council to cough up millions to improve the facilities to the benefit of all, when V8ST don't have the will or ability to do the same, is futile. Sure anybody could put on a show, but apart from V8SC who's going to have enough clout to get the money spent to improve things? |
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i wonder if the return on $250k (or $1.25 M over 5 years) would be as good as the $2 M (or $10M over 5 years) and would the NZ series have been able to justify the track improvments
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It is nothing new that some(NOT ALL, make sure I don't put that in there to confuse people)drivers can't run other events because of their current contractual arrangements. I think it's quite clear not every driver, team and commercial and contractual arrangements are exactly the same for every party. |
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MP has nothing to do with V8SC and especially as a New Zealand federal and local taxpayer and citizen as well as a competing business owner, he is more than welcome to pontificate on the expenditure of public funds on a V8 SC round or try to secure funding to help his own business. There is no law or problem with that. Anyone that thinks any contrary opinion maker to V8SC and their business endeavors should be personally savaged or considered a PR debacle needs to check themselves and come back down off of whatever they are on and also take down their posters of Tony Cochrane dressed as "The Great Dear Leader" in their house. I think Tony Cochrane and company have done an amazing job, but also they have made poor decisions in the past and not everything they have done has been perfect. Do I think V8 Supercars needs to be in New Zealand? Yep. Is V8 Supercars the best suited business to draw a crowd? Yep. Does Pukehoke need some help? Yep. Should the public be on the hook to make it all happen? Nope. |
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In response to the above, do you seriously think that TC looks at this forum? And who cares what a few of the fans say, ST are not officially saying that so that's what counts. But in saying that, I am employed as a professional and my contract says I cannot moonlight at any other business without written permission (which I happen to have). So if SBR don't want SVG to drive over here, I suspect they would be well within their rights to stop him. You do have to wonder though if certain comments by a certain person precipitated the current set of circumstances - after all, they would have asked their bosses before they signed up to drive in the first place, wouldn't they???? Love the comments about poking bears and stealing dinners! |
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yeah me too GB! To me this is simply the Aussie series becoming a wee bit worried as to what the ST's are capable of. That is the ST is a diluted version of their car for next year (COTF) and the aussies that have driven them rate them very highly.
i think TC is just happy if the show he puts on has the wow factor, while in NZ we have to put up with a sub-standard class, just to be the poor cousin as it were. I have been told that there are agreements between the supercars and the old MSNZ about how the NZ cars must be older and contain less technology than the SC of the time. Rough translation of that is that TC only wants a NZ based V8 series to be based on old bangers.....that way everyone goes 'oooh aaah' when the Supercars come here just once a year and being on the edge of the planet us rednecks in NZ will be 'content' with crappy cars for the rest of the year. If this is the case then TC is a "Caring Understanding Nineties Type" who clearly thinks he can control motorsport on both sides of the tassie. Control freak much? Dissapointing i must say and quite damaging for NZ based supercar fans |
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Motorsport: Tensions cool between V8 rivals By Eric Thompson 5:30 AM Saturday Jul 28, 2012 It would appear the bad blood bubbling below the surface between V8 SuperTourers, V8 Supercars and various other factions is beginning to simmer down. That is despite the fact that an Australian motorsports website reported the ousting of V8 SuperTourers managing director Mark Petch. The speedcafe.com.au website said: "It was confirmed this morning that operations manager Didier Debae has been appointed as acting Chief Executive Officer of the V8 SuperTourers. "The Belgian will become the official spokesperson for V8 SuperTourers, taking responsibility for public affairs and for all media comment. "The changes come after managing director Mark Petch was relieved of his position in light of recent comments made to local media on the issues of V8 Supercars' new Pukekohe deal and the Australian class's attempts to stop its drivers competing in the upcoming V8 SuperTourer endurance races." (See here) But Petch told Driven exclusively that he is still the managing director of V8 SuperTourers. "I read that quote on the website," said Petch. "Look there's a lot of politics swirling around New Zealand motorsport right now and ... I'm keeping a low profile. It is agreed I'm not the front person that I have been. "We now have a good guy in Didier but I am a substantial shareholder and managing director and I'm not going to stand on egos. I have willingly relinquished some duties that Didier has picked up." Debae was recently appointed operations manager but in his role as CEO he replaces the former two-time World Touring Car champion Paul Radisich, who stepped down because of family business work commitments. Part of the steps Petch has taken to ensure V8 SuperTourers avoided any major scrap was a discussion with V8 Supercars this week in Australia. "The spat we had with [V8 Supercars' chairman] Tony Cochrane was because I let emotions get in the way, and I was obviously extremely disappointed at the reaction that happened. I can tell you there is a public apology from me in the next copy of the Auto Action [motorsport publication in Australia]," said Petch. He said there are changes planned within V8 SuperTourers. "There are some fundamental changes happening that involve the teams eventually owning the lion's share of V8 SuperTourers and I'm 100 hundred per cent supportive of that. "They will end up owning 70 per cent of the company and I think that is a good thing. You know that they are the entertainment act and without them there is no show and you don't want your teams feeling resentful," said Petch. As he rightly said, the teams need to be part of the whole story and need to deal with a non-shareholder management structure so that they don't feel they're being sidelined. If issues do come to light, it will be far easier to deal with a CEO and his team who are not part of the corporate shareholder structure. "There is no question that I think by the end of the year we will be looking at a different organisation and I will have a different role than the one I have in the company now. " It started from nothing and things are changing and the utes are now coming with us," he said. "We think next year will be a boom year. "We'll have 20 cars on the grid for Taupo [September 1-2] and we have another four in construction so people can get the chassis in time to build cars for February next year," said Petch. Which says to me that MP is taking a bit of a back seat for a while for the good of the series, and that all will be forgiven by V8SA - but I very much doubt that the ST's will ever run on the same track as a SC, too similar really. |
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WOW, Impressed that MP would come out and admit it was a d**k move... Would we ever see that sort of maturity from the other side? Something tells me no...
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[QUOTE=Goat Boy;3114076]This from the Herald:
"The spat we had with [V8 Supercars' chairman] Tony Cochrane was because I let emotions get in the way, and I was obviously extremely disappointed at the reaction that happened. I can tell you there is a public apology from me in the next copy of the Auto Action [motorsport publication in Australia]," said Petch.QUOTE] serves you right for tryna pick a fight with someone bigger then you. back to the the drawing boards, with your tail between your legs you go! |
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[QUOTE=Goat Boy;3114457]how many witchetty grubs can you eat in less then 60 seconds? yea thats what I thought.
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