And the supercar drivers were banned....

[Chappelli]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

What mud was MP slinging in the news papers?

The only thing I have seen is MP questioning the government funding being directed at a foreign motorsport category? A fair comment no?

These kind of actions that V8SA and Tony Cochrane in particular have been at the forefront of over the years.

The thing MP questioned was $10million dollars worth of revenue for V8SC...

I don't know about you, but I tend to think it's resonable business practise to do everything necessary to make sure the risk to that revenue is mitigated.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

The thing MP questioned was $10million dollars worth of revenue for V8SC... I don't know about you, but I tend to think it's resonable business practise to do everything necessary to make sure the risk to that revenue is mitigated.

Who is saying V8SC are going to get $10m? The way I see it at least $7m of the money will be spent IN NEW ZEALAND!

MP's comments that he could "do it for $250k" is a joke. If it takes V8Supercars coming to get the local council to invest in the track and improve it permanently and for all users, who is going to complain except someone who thinks the money would be better spent on them?

Basically MP opened his mouth, inserted his foot, and has been relieved of his position as a result.

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Who is saying V8SC are going to get $10m? The way I see it at least $7m of the money will be spent IN NEW ZEALAND!

MP's comments that he could "do it for $250k" is a joke. If it takes V8Supercars coming to get the local council to invest in the track and improve it permanently and for all users, who is going to complain except someone who thinks the money would be better spent on them?

That still leaves $3 million dollars ?

Why is MP comments a joke? If he can do it for $250K then why cant he say it? I dont understand the train of thought that MP cant openly speak about government expenditure on motorsport?

Wasn't it V8SA who withdrew from Pukekohe never to return a few years ago? With such commitment from them it seems very odd to back them so extensively with $10 million worth of funding.

Can you blame MP for asking the question?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

That still leaves $3 million dollars ?

Yes and there are costs to run a show.

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Why is MP comments a joke? If he can do it for $250K then why cant he say it? I dont understand the train of thought that MP cant openly speak about government expenditure on motorsport?

Its a joke because its bull**** to start with.

V8SC is a series with international appeal and well known stars, so you're comparing apples to oranges.

Sure V8ST could run an event for $250k but what would it achieve? Comparing it to a V8SC event that has been enough to get the local council to cough up millions to improve the facilities to the benefit of all, when V8ST don't have the will or ability to do the same, is futile.

Sure anybody could put on a show, but apart from V8SC who's going to have enough clout to get the money spent to improve things?

[peckstar]

i wonder if the return on $250k (or $1.25 M over 5 years) would be as good as the $2 M (or $10M over 5 years) and would the NZ series have been able to justify the track improvments

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Yes and there are costs to run a show.

Are V8's promoting the event?

Also is this $3million per year to run the event or $3million over the course of the contract?

Originally Posted by Mixer

Its a joke because its bull**** to start with.

Ok if you say so

Originally Posted by Mixer

V8SC is a series with international appeal and well known stars, so you're comparing apples to oranges.

That is quite a vague statement - international appeal (depends on your definition) and well known stars (to who) ?

I think depending on your definition - V8ST also could make an argument to meet these points.

Originally Posted by Mixer

Sure V8ST could run an event for $250k but what would it achieve? Comparing it to a V8SC event that has been enough to get the local council to cough up millions to improve the facilities to the benefit of all, when V8ST don't have the will or ability to do the same, is futile.

What would V8ST achieve - racing? What does motor racing achieve?

- attendance
- entertainment
- international tv

Too name a few

[racer69]

Originally Posted by Tourer

For the record, this type of thing has been discussed on a number of occasions at team meetings, it is not new at all - I've been personally there in some of the team meetings it's been discussed in back in the day.

You can go back to the super touring days here in Oz for the first time it was discussed as I recall.

Nothing new at all.

Quite correct; some excerpts from Auto Action #721, January 16-22 1997

V8 BATHURST DANGER
Peter Brock has spoken out on the looming 'Bathurst versus Bathurst' touring car crisis, warning AVESCO its rebel race presents Super Touring with a fantastic opportunity to steal the V8s thunder

Brock also made it clear that despite questionable pressure on V8 drivers from AVESCO, he would contest both Bathursts if he were offered a non-conflicting Two-Litre drive....................

*Brock would of course go on to race a Super Tourer at Bathurst later that year, as would fellow V8 driver Steven Richards (who'd run them all year as well as his V8 drive)

Team Deals for V8
Five-Litre teams will be required to commit to a minimum number of rounds in a bid to guarantee large fields at all V8Supercar races

Contracts between teams and Five-Litres organising body, AVESCO, will also make it difficult for drivers and teams to enter non-AVESCO championships, such as the ARDC's V8 Challenge and any Super Touring events...............

*Of course GRM and Steven Richards competed in both the 1997 Australian Touring Car Championship (for V8Supercars) and the 1997 Australian Super Touring Championship, plus competed at the AMP Bathurst 1000 and the Primus 1000 Classic

[FordCosworthPanoz]

Originally Posted by Mixer

V8SC is a series with international appeal and well known stars

Is Australia and New Zealand the world?

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by FordCosworthPanoz

Is Australia and New Zealand the world?

it is in the world..lol

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by racer69

In the AA article Tony Cochrane alludes to V8SuperTourers not being aligned to the FIA/MNZ.... has that played another part in this (perhaps from above V8Supercars)?

One recalls when the FIA was threatening life bans for anyone who competed at the inaugural Gold Coast Indy in 1991....



We are not disagreeing about this

My comment was based on your blanket statement that "Pro drivers contracted to pro teams are not able to run in other series during their contract. Nothing new at all.", when quite clearly there are examples of that happening

Yes I am well aware of that happening and was well aware of that at the time. What I was referring to was the drivers that were not competing in the V8ST rounds. Has nothing to do with Craig Lowndes, etc.

It is nothing new that some(NOT ALL, make sure I don't put that in there to confuse people)drivers can't run other events because of their current contractual arrangements. I think it's quite clear not every driver, team and commercial and contractual arrangements are exactly the same for every party.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Who is saying V8SC are going to get $10m? The way I see it at least $7m of the money will be spent IN NEW ZEALAND!

MP's comments that he could "do it for $250k" is a joke. If it takes V8Supercars coming to get the local council to invest in the track and improve it permanently and for all users, who is going to complain except someone who thinks the money would be better spent on them?

Basically MP opened his mouth, inserted his foot, and has been relieved of his position as a result.

I know Australia and New Zealand is a bit socialist, but last I checked neither was a totalitarian state.

MP has nothing to do with V8SC and especially as a New Zealand federal and local taxpayer and citizen as well as a competing business owner, he is more than welcome to pontificate on the expenditure of public funds on a V8 SC round or try to secure funding to help his own business.

There is no law or problem with that. Anyone that thinks any contrary opinion maker to V8SC and their business endeavors should be personally savaged or considered a PR debacle needs to check themselves and come back down off of whatever they are on and also take down their posters of Tony Cochrane dressed as "The Great Dear Leader" in their house.

I think Tony Cochrane and company have done an amazing job, but also they have made poor decisions in the past and not everything they have done has been perfect.

Do I think V8 Supercars needs to be in New Zealand? Yep.
Is V8 Supercars the best suited business to draw a crowd? Yep.
Does Pukehoke need some help? Yep.
Should the public be on the hook to make it all happen? Nope.

[Chappelli]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

That still leaves $3 million dollars ?

Why is MP comments a joke? If he can do it for $250K then why cant he say it? I dont understand the train of thought that MP cant openly speak about government expenditure on motorsport?

Wasn't it V8SA who withdrew from Pukekohe never to return a few years ago? With such commitment from them it seems very odd to back them so extensively with $10 million worth of funding.

Can you blame MP for asking the question?

I think you're missing the point. MP can say whatever he likes. I don't think anyone here has said otherwise.

What we are saying is "don't tell you're neighbor he's a douche-bag, then expect him to let you borrow a cup of sugar".

[flyingduck]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

I think you're missing the point. MP can say whatever he likes. I don't think anyone here has said otherwise.

What we are saying is "don't tell you're neighbor he's a douche-bag, then expect him to let you borrow a cup of sugar".

Or don't keep on poking a bear it will lash out and normally will win.

I think this will make the racing better as all the enduro drivers will be closer and will make the competition more even.

[Evomike]

Originally Posted by Chappelli

What we are saying is "don't tell you're neighbor he's a douche-bag, then expect him to let you borrow a cup of sugar".

Bang On Chapelli

[Goat Boy]

Originally Posted by harcey

i think you are all missing the point.......v8St(and fans/supporters and in disguise members) have compared themselves to V8SC and stated they will be faster at certain tracks etc etc...that is direct competition...forget v8sc drivers doing GT/bathurst 12hr etc etc....have a scroll back thru some of the many posts since V8st came along ....its not rocket science...seriously

Bit slow to climb on this thread, aren't I?

In response to the above, do you seriously think that TC looks at this forum? And who cares what a few of the fans say, ST are not officially saying that so that's what counts.

But in saying that, I am employed as a professional and my contract says I cannot moonlight at any other business without written permission (which I happen to have). So if SBR don't want SVG to drive over here, I suspect they would be well within their rights to stop him.

You do have to wonder though if certain comments by a certain person precipitated the current set of circumstances - after all, they would have asked their bosses before they signed up to drive in the first place, wouldn't they????

Love the comments about poking bears and stealing dinners!

[NZSTfan]

yeah me too GB! To me this is simply the Aussie series becoming a wee bit worried as to what the ST's are capable of. That is the ST is a diluted version of their car for next year (COTF) and the aussies that have driven them rate them very highly.

i think TC is just happy if the show he puts on has the wow factor, while in NZ we have to put up with a sub-standard class, just to be the poor cousin as it were.

I have been told that there are agreements between the supercars and the old MSNZ about how the NZ cars must be older and contain less technology than the SC of the time. Rough translation of that is that TC only wants a NZ based V8 series to be based on old bangers.....that way everyone goes 'oooh aaah' when the Supercars come here just once a year and being on the edge of the planet us rednecks in NZ will be 'content' with crappy cars for the rest of the year. If this is the case then TC is a "Caring Understanding Nineties Type" who clearly thinks he can control motorsport on both sides of the tassie. Control freak much?

Dissapointing i must say and quite damaging for NZ based supercar fans

[Goat Boy]

This from the Herald:


Motorsport: Tensions cool between V8 rivals
By Eric Thompson


5:30 AM Saturday Jul 28, 2012

It would appear the bad blood bubbling below the surface between V8 SuperTourers, V8 Supercars and various other factions is beginning to simmer down.

That is despite the fact that an Australian motorsports website reported the ousting of V8 SuperTourers managing director Mark Petch.

The speedcafe.com.au website said: "It was confirmed this morning that operations manager Didier Debae has been appointed as acting Chief Executive Officer of the V8 SuperTourers.

"The Belgian will become the official spokesperson for V8 SuperTourers, taking responsibility for public affairs and for all media comment.

"The changes come after managing director Mark Petch was relieved of his position in light of recent comments made to local media on the issues of V8 Supercars' new Pukekohe deal and the Australian class's attempts to stop its drivers competing in the upcoming V8 SuperTourer endurance races." (See here)

But Petch told Driven exclusively that he is still the managing director of V8 SuperTourers.

"I read that quote on the website," said Petch. "Look there's a lot of politics swirling around New Zealand motorsport right now and ... I'm keeping a low profile. It is agreed I'm not the front person that I have been.

"We now have a good guy in Didier but I am a substantial shareholder and managing director and I'm not going to stand on egos. I have willingly relinquished some duties that Didier has picked up."

Debae was recently appointed operations manager but in his role as CEO he replaces the former two-time World Touring Car champion Paul Radisich, who stepped down because of family business work commitments.

Part of the steps Petch has taken to ensure V8 SuperTourers avoided any major scrap was a discussion with V8 Supercars this week in Australia.

"The spat we had with [V8 Supercars' chairman] Tony Cochrane was because I let emotions get in the way, and I was obviously extremely disappointed at the reaction that happened. I can tell you there is a public apology from me in the next copy of the Auto Action [motorsport publication in Australia]," said Petch.

He said there are changes planned within V8 SuperTourers.

"There are some fundamental changes happening that involve the teams eventually owning the lion's share of V8 SuperTourers and I'm 100 hundred per cent supportive of that.

"They will end up owning 70 per cent of the company and I think that is a good thing. You know that they are the entertainment act and without them there is no show and you don't want your teams feeling resentful," said Petch.

As he rightly said, the teams need to be part of the whole story and need to deal with a non-shareholder management structure so that they don't feel they're being sidelined. If issues do come to light, it will be far easier to deal with a CEO and his team who are not part of the corporate shareholder structure.

"There is no question that I think by the end of the year we will be looking at a different organisation and I will have a different role than the one I have in the company now.

" It started from nothing and things are changing and the utes are now coming with us," he said.

"We think next year will be a boom year.

"We'll have 20 cars on the grid for Taupo [September 1-2] and we have another four in construction so people can get the chassis in time to build cars for February next year," said Petch.

Which says to me that MP is taking a bit of a back seat for a while for the good of the series, and that all will be forgiven by V8SA - but I very much doubt that the ST's will ever run on the same track as a SC, too similar really.

[Chappelli]

WOW, Impressed that MP would come out and admit it was a d**k move... Would we ever see that sort of maturity from the other side? Something tells me no...

[FAS33]

[QUOTE=Goat Boy;3114076]This from the Herald:


"The spat we had with [V8 Supercars' chairman] Tony Cochrane was because I let emotions get in the way, and I was obviously extremely disappointed at the reaction that happened. I can tell you there is a public apology from me in the next copy of the Auto Action [motorsport publication in Australia]," said Petch.QUOTE]

serves you right for tryna pick a fight with someone bigger then you.
back to the the drawing boards, with your tail between your legs you go!

[Goat Boy]

[QUOTE=FAS33;3114431]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

This from the Herald:


"The spat we had with [V8 Supercars' chairman] Tony Cochrane was because I let emotions get in the way, and I was obviously extremely disappointed at the reaction that happened. I can tell you there is a public apology from me in the next copy of the Auto Action [motorsport publication in Australia]," said Petch.QUOTE]

serves you right for tryna pick a fight with someone bigger then you.
back to the the drawing boards, with your tail between your legs you go!

Nobody else involved in the series held those views, it was a purely personal thing. A bit of a rush of blood to the head moment I guess.

How's your gold medal count going in the pool if you're going to be like that?

[smokin'joe]

Originally Posted by FAS33

serves you right for tryna pick a fight with someone bigger then you.
back to the the drawing boards, with your tail between your legs you go!

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

How's your gold medal count going in the pool if you're going to be like that?

dunno FAS33, picking on bigger people sured worked for the wee Chinese swimmer. hell, the youngin' didn't even have respect for grown-ups

[FAS33]

[QUOTE=Goat Boy;3114457]

Originally Posted by FAS33

Nobody else involved in the series held those views, it was a purely personal thing. A bit of a rush of blood to the head moment I guess.

How's your gold medal count going in the pool if you're going to be like that?

how many witchetty grubs can you eat in less then 60 seconds? yea thats what I thought.

[Goat Boy]

[QUOTE=FAS33;3114585]

Originally Posted by Goat Boy

how many witchetty grubs can you eat in less then 60 seconds? yea thats what I thought.

Hmmmm, that is a hard one, you're right - taste like peanut butter, don't they?

[FAS33]

[QUOTE=Goat Boy;3114609]

Originally Posted by FAS33

Hmmmm, that is a hard one, you're right - taste like peanut butter, don't they?

... you are the peanut butter