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That was great, congratulations to all the winners and thanks to the guys who made the radio web possible - it also gave me chance to do my Media Coursework based on "Sport on the Radio"!
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I originaly posted this comments in the "race thread", but they fit more with Rob's new topic...
Wow, we completed 33 pages in 12 hours ! And European members were not the lasts to post during the night, even at the far end of the race to the checkered flag : thank you again for having shared on Ten-Tenths your experience and passion, making the forum more and more a "palce to be" when dice are rolling somewhere for sportscars/GT. Radio ALMS mentionned us last night ! Sign of the times ? We had another "Audi tour", but it was not an "Audi balade", if I may say so... seeing the images, the three Audis took a lot of risks, fighting hard the sister cars, and the most impressive pic is this "sandwich of Porsche" by Nishie and Letho, ooo my Goodness ! It was close shaved ! The challengers did their job, especially RollCentre, even if they failed to beat a real UFO-Vette... the drivers of the Dallara surprised me, I have to admit, and were in the top three overall late in the race, but unfortunately some problems (throttle cable) didn't let them get their reward... I hope ACO will notice, and that they'll have a good place on the grid in June. Taurus did a good job too, but was even more unfortunate : they didn't finish a race were they did really well... ACO, please, have mercy ! We have an ex-MG/Lola in 6th overall, and that's a good result : but they're not claiming a class victory now, they're here for the "big one", and they don't seem able to have it on long races... the MGs gave a good show, but still have to improve their reliability... R&S : one on two at the checkered flag, the lincoln one... regular and 7th overall, nothing to complain about... but the car was quite discreet on the track (except the sound I mean !). Congrats to the Larbre Team : the "old lady" gave us the last rockets of a nice firework, claiming the 9th overall in the last lap... and 50' behind the 8th ! The major failure is for the Lotus : 25 minutes on the track, it will be difficult for LM... LMP2 : no comments ; one car at the checkered flag, after a long stop waiting the bell to complete a last lap... Courage C65, DBA, we need you ! The Pilbeam did a good job, though, but the team was unfortunate : hope we'll meet them again at LM, with the blue "checkered" painting "A la RFH" ! GTS... Vette Vette Vette !!! Too bad we lost Mags so early, the #4 could have been the only one to fight the #3 ; and the first laps by Oliver Gavin were something we won't forget... for the others... er... Great - Alex - job again by the best Porkers, great show, for the most homogeneous class. Ferrari has still something to do in GT, Kelleners was 3rd in class long enough to convince me of the possibility to show more on long runs... but Sebring was already 12 hours : what about 24 hours ? Notice that the Morgan is not the last at the flag ! The field for LM will be known in the days to come... some teams did a convincing job at Sebring. Mr ACO, don't forget them ! For me, at least, RollCentre, Taurus, Dyson, Larbre (for those who haven't a reserved place)... but I assume you've seen more (but there's few places)... Cheers ! Fab PS : don't know for the other members - even if I have an idea - but I had a terrific time during the race. Sorry for those who missed it ! Last edited by Fab; 21 Mar 2004 at 13:03. |
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great race and always fun to keep folks (who don't get the tv coverage) updated with the latest goings-on track...i had family obligations or i probably could have kept at it the entire evening....
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21 Mar 2004, 14:58 (Ref:913968) | #10 | ||
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Afternoon guys. Shattered after some 10 hours of listening to the race.
Some real knowledgeable peeps on this forum. Why has it taken me so long to find it? Can't get enough of it now! Great company. The race. Well dejected about the Tauraus retirement. Hope they get an entry for Le Mans following the departure from Sebring. Highlight was the Rollcentre Dallara-Judd. What an effort by all concerned. Drivers, pit crew and I'm sure most of us lastnight for their support and rooting for the team. Thanks for a great race to the competitors. Next year I would like to personally attend this race. Time and money permitting. PRF |
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Can someone remember what they said about the Panoz? Will it run in GTS?
Is there someone on the forum who visited the race yesterday? On TV it looked like there were not ´that´ many specators watching the race. And it looked like there was only a very limted area where you were allowed to watch. |
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From what they where saying on the Radio Web, they thought it was a record crowd. Hopefully I will be there to see the race in person next year.
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I was bored most of the time. The total domination of Audi is getting to me. Apparently it's also getting to some others, as there are nowhere near as many posts on Sebring (or anything else, for that matter) on the IMSA forum
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I think European fans are now concentrating on the LMES and improving FIA GT series. We no longer need to look enviously to the ALMS. I actually think the strongest competition for the Audis were not at Sebring, the Zyteks. They should fly in the LMES. Also hoping to see some good performances from the Lister and Dallara. As for the attendance, I believe it was a new record. Last edited by JAG; 21 Mar 2004 at 16:22. |
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The car Don Panoz referred to on the broadcast when responding to a question of seeing Panoz with a factory effort is the Esparante GT-LM. There is a new one built (Hypersport ran a low key effort last year) and it is going through extensive testing. The car will debut at Mid-Ohio and run in GT. The car is scheduled to run out of Hypersport again. Perhaps a separate factory effort will appear, but I don't think we will see the type of effort from Panoz as in the past until 2005 at the earliest. He made no mention of a GTS effort on yesterday's broadcast.
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They announced a "record crowd" but the 150K is the lowest spectator number they have announced in the last three years. Go figure.
Sebring had been running adverts on the radio in local major Florida cities spending 5 seconds on the race and the remainder of the advert explaining what a great Spring Break party it is. They even gave away free tickets to college girls with student ID. I don't remember them ever giving away tickets for free without some sponsor tie-in. From the helicopter cam it looked like some areas had very few specators but in all fairness, those are the support race paddock areas which are usually empty on Saturday. As for the race, some interesting battles in the first few hours and then it turned to a snooze fest. I was looking forward to the Barrett Jackson 10 minute breaks from the race as there was more action on the bidding than in the race. Even the commentators from Speed Channel came back with lines like "you missed nothing" or "nothing has changed since we left you". Consider this, if there were no Audi supported teams, a GTS car would have won this year. I think this speaks volumes about the fragility of the mortal privateer team and constructor. How long will the ALMS and the ACO hang on to the illusion that there is nothing wrong with the rules in their top class? |
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Yeah doc, I'm a little tired of Audi domination myself. Could the A.C.O. not mandate a privateer car for every two factory cars ala FIA GT?
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Well , the star of the race for me has got to be "Rollcenter" , and on Shorty's birthday too . They made that car sing !!! I would be very surprised not to see the second Dallara out of the garage soon after this class performance .
To be honest it was a delight to see someone take the fight to Audi , and I wonder how a RfH Dome might have done . GTS was a little on the sad side , but give that time and we will have some new cars to play around with . GT was a scrap all the way and was probably the most continously exciting class of the lot . Great start to the new season ..... |
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Even thought I could only follow the first three hours of the race live, I really enjoyed my first "major" race, even if only with the radio, the timing and this forum
I was really thrilled to see the RollCentre Dallara run so well, especially with Barbosa in. And since it's the first time of the team with a proto, I'm sure they can still improve a lot, roll on the LMES! I only wished that the Risi Ferrari would challenge the Porsches more... Last edited by Cadete; 21 Mar 2004 at 21:53. |
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Audi took a step forward in Technology with the whole rear end change, and even if they did spend a big amount of money, they had a revolutionary design and now that has been put down the drain in favour of punishing them for it with a new rule, I don't want to see Audi dominate but other teams could of thought of the design, but Audi got there first. The new rule change is a shame because the whole rear end change was a great idea.
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I see your point , but how can anybody raise their game to Audi . The Japanese have stayed away for years cuz its way too expensive . I dont agree with punishing Audi for doing a better job , but look at the consequences , who has beaten them except for a Panoz fluke and the odd Dyson car .
Reynard tried to develope a "cassette" type gearbox but that didnt work out very well then . How much does it cost to be able to adjust your ride hight in a car by 20 to 30 thousands of an inch , a lot !!! The rules were wrong in my opinion . Quick change gearbox , is that really in the spirit of "endurance" racing ? So , why not have a quick change engine ? I think Audi has done a teriffic job , but the rules need to be changed . Its way too expensive for people like Courage to get this technology in their car , and even more difficult to sell a car when you cant compette against the nite of a full blown factory team with all the mod cons . Group C had rules that worked for everyone and I bet it didnt work out as expensive as it does now . If Don Panoz had poured buckets of money into "FSI" technology like Audi did he probably would have had an Audi Challanger if not a regular beater and if that same technology was in a Dallara (Dallara built the Audi and the 333SP) in sure it could also be an Audi beater . You see the likes of Pescarolo Sport not knowing their future cuz engines are so expensive , what choice has he ? Last edited by The Badger; 21 Mar 2004 at 22:38. |
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